Despite some seeing my doubts as anti China, I am more feeling cautious as there has been a history of over promising and under delivering. I hope this changes as the world really does need a serious competitor as the USA is in a capitalist death spiral at the moment and it would be nice to have other options. I hope Europe too can step it up too as it will suck if we end up in a situation where China or any single nation is once again the sole provider of anything required for the modern age. Competition is healthy or we end up with too much power on one place and that never ends well even for those with the power.
China's banned memory-maker CXMT unveils surprising new chipmaking capabilities despite crushing US export restrictions — DDR5-8000 and LPDDR5X-10667 displayed
Submitted 3 weeks ago by themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com to technology@lemmy.world
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ImmersiveMatthew@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
liuther9@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The whole world and all companies are overpromising as it is not punished. Steam though not promising and delivering
frisbird@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
HL3 when?
ImmersiveMatthew@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Very much agreed. We have left reality where the product is the value and into the marketing is the value.
A_A@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Might be surprising for USA’s self- centric nationalists, yet, unsurprising considering china has become the rising tech power since about 10 years now.
kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
The US hasn’t been competitive in RAM in something like 40 years. The PRC is working on catching up to the RoK. I hope they manage to export good RAM soon, because the Korean companies are all cutting back on production to increase prices.
jfrnz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Micron is American and is competitive, especially in some verticals.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Huh?
Micron is one of the big three DRAM producers.
j4k3@piefed.world 3 weeks ago
Awesome. As an American consumer, China is doing far more for me than the corrupt USA.
yucandu@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Exploitative sweatshop labour pays dividends for us westerners, doesn’t it?
j4k3@piefed.world 3 weeks ago
Better than a million feral humans sent back to live as animals in urban nature and corrupt wage slavery for pirate banker commodity housing, not to mention the Flock-You surveillance state that is stealing citizenship and democracy right now. When Citizen is functionally equivalent to Slave, China looks far better. "You will own nothing and be happy about it.” -because slaves that speak up find themselves dead. I’ll take a sweatshop over this corruption any day.
just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Lmao when china does it, its sweatshop labour and when western companies pay their labour pennies its the fault of the workers for being lazy.
I get the feeling if this was a us company, people like you would have been chanting this as a success of capitalism that will increase competition and decrease prices.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
China has been doing more for you and I as American consumers than the USA for the past like 60 years. China is the manufacturing superpower of the world.
hushable@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
greetings from Kansas province
pycorax@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I’ll believe it when I see it. Lots of news of supposed breakthroughs in China all the time but hardly any of it actually leads to anything concrete so far.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
deepseek? their EV cars that are ahead of whatever Americans are making?
pycorax@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
DeepSeek was frankly oversold and I personally don’t think we should be investing that much time and energy in LLMs anyways. I’ll give them that for EVs but they easily cost 2x of a standard ICE Japanese car here since China companies seem to be targeting the luxury car market so it didn’t occur to me at all.
Not sure why you even brought up American cars to be honest.
That said, I was thinking more of semiconductors and there’s been so much news of Huawei doing all sorts of things that have went nowhere so far.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 2 weeks ago
The 90s have called. They want their take on China back.
flamiera@kbin.melroy.org 2 weeks ago
Yeah, okay, China.
How about produce the thing and don't pull any marketing tricks, hm? We'll find out one way or another whether these are the real deals.
a9249@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
[deleted]Auth@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The future is bleak. China is not a nice place to live.
sunbeam60@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Depending on where you are in China, I agree. But the benefits are very unevenly distributed.
COASTER1921@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
There’s huge investment in domestic semiconductor manufacturing in China, but they’re certainly not ahead of the West yet. Or even on par. If they were we’d see them exporting semiconductors and not buying from foreign companies, yet they still do. I work as an electrical engineer in the semiconductor industry and also visit China for work. We all know that our jobs are doomed in 5-10yr, but for now their domestic semiconductor industry simply isn’t able to compete.
Auth@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Big if true, but unlikely to be true.
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The biggest obstacles to China’s successful future, the CCP and PLA. If Taipei took over Peking, then watch out.
frisbird@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
LoL. 80% of literally all poverty alleviation in the entire world over the last 70 years was done by the CPC. The CPC 5-year planning process led to the establishment of Chinese university dominance in at least 36 of the tracked 48 high tech fields in the world and it’s not even close - in some high tech field China holds all of the top spots. The CPC presided over literally the largest and fastest industrialization process the world has ever seen.
VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
That building looks kinda like a stick of ram from the front.
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Probably cost as much as a stick of RAM to build
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Not on Alibaba today. Even if they need to bin many at slower speed, it could help with memory market. Needs actual production instead of press releases.
FaceDeer@fedia.io 3 weeks ago
On the one hand not fond of the CCP, and this is a step toward making Taiwan more "safely" invadeable.
On the other hand not fond of the United States throwing its weight around like it's in charge of the world and not fond of monopolies in general.
So hard to settle on a reaction for this.
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 3 weeks ago
After telling everyone they’re not the police of the world
Rug_Pisser@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
Wait no, I saw the documentary about a Team from America being the World Police!
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Detach from the geopolitics - another way to make memory has been announced at a time when much of the technology and product has been tied up by massive global investments. This could help ease the current memory drought. Will it still be around after the AI bubble pops? This fabrication process could be like fracking - an expense only justified by the current high cost of supply. Is it worth investing in if the bubble pops and kills any gains, evaporating the money sunk into it? Does China and the 1% want to take the risk that this new fab process works and scales? That’s the real stakes.
just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Its memory we are talking about, literally everyone in the world already uses it. Its not like crypto or other tech that might become obsolete any time soon.
The profit margins might shrink but there will be emough uses for it for sure. Think of personal clouds, archives, maybe cheaper gpus etc etc.
Maybe we will discover/implement algorithms that exploit memory trade offs once it becomes cheap.
Aqarius@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah, this is the correct take, I feel.
kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
The RoC doesn’t make much RAM, to my knowledge. It’s the RoK that does that. Samsung, Micron, and SK Hynix all have their own fabs.
FaceDeer@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
Ah, good, that makes this less of a dilemma then.
QuandaleDingle@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Yeah, this is a bit of a dilemma, to be sure.