Despite some seeing my doubts as anti China, I am more feeling cautious as there has been a history of over promising and under delivering. I hope this changes as the world really does need a serious competitor as the USA is in a capitalist death spiral at the moment and it would be nice to have other options. I hope Europe too can step it up too as it will suck if we end up in a situation where China or any single nation is once again the sole provider of anything required for the modern age. Competition is healthy or we end up with too much power on one place and that never ends well even for those with the power.
China's banned memory-maker CXMT unveils surprising new chipmaking capabilities despite crushing US export restrictions — DDR5-8000 and LPDDR5X-10667 displayed
Submitted 21 hours ago by themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com to technology@lemmy.world
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ImmersiveMatthew@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago
A_A@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Might be surprising for USA’s self- centric nationalists, yet, unsurprising considering china has become the rising tech power since about 10 years now.
kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 hours ago
The US hasn’t been competitive in RAM in something like 40 years. The PRC is working on catching up to the RoK. I hope they manage to export good RAM soon, because the Korean companies are all cutting back on production to increase prices.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Huh?
Micron is one of the big three DRAM producers.
jfrnz@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Micron is American and is competitive, especially in some verticals.
flamiera@kbin.melroy.org 11 hours ago
Yeah, okay, China.
How about produce the thing and don't pull any marketing tricks, hm? We'll find out one way or another whether these are the real deals.
a9249@lemmy.ca 7 minutes ago
They likely are; china surpassed us technologically about 5 years ago. They just don’t export the good stuff. Source: I travel to china a LOT for work… its like going to the future.
pycorax@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
I’ll believe it when I see it. Lots of news of supposed breakthroughs in China all the time but hardly any of it actually leads to anything concrete so far.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 3 hours ago
The 90s have called. They want their take on China back.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
deepseek? their EV cars that are ahead of whatever Americans are making?
pycorax@sh.itjust.works 9 hours ago
DeepSeek was frankly oversold and I personally don’t think we should be investing that much time and energy in LLMs anyways. I’ll give them that for EVs but they easily cost 2x of a standard ICE Japanese car here since China companies seem to be targeting the luxury car market so it didn’t occur to me at all.
Not sure why you even brought up American cars to be honest.
That said, I was thinking more of semiconductors and there’s been so much news of Huawei doing all sorts of things that have went nowhere so far.
j4k3@piefed.world 18 hours ago
Awesome. As an American consumer, China is doing far more for me than the corrupt USA.
yucandu@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Exploitative sweatshop labour pays dividends for us westerners, doesn’t it?
just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 minutes ago
Lmao when china does it, its sweatshop labour and when western companies pay their labour pennies its the fault of the workers for being lazy.
I get the feeling if this was a us company, people like you would have been chanting this as a success of capitalism that will increase competition and decrease prices.
j4k3@piefed.world 16 hours ago
Better than a million feral humans sent back to live as animals in urban nature and corrupt wage slavery for pirate banker commodity housing, not to mention the Flock-You surveillance state that is stealing citizenship and democracy right now. When Citizen is functionally equivalent to Slave, China looks far better. "You will own nothing and be happy about it.” -because slaves that speak up find themselves dead. I’ll take a sweatshop over this corruption any day.
hushable@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
greetings from Kansas province
VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 hours ago
That building looks kinda like a stick of ram from the front.
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 11 hours ago
Probably cost as much as a stick of RAM to build
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 17 hours ago
Not on Alibaba today. Even if they need to bin many at slower speed, it could help with memory market. Needs actual production instead of press releases.
FaceDeer@fedia.io 20 hours ago
On the one hand not fond of the CCP, and this is a step toward making Taiwan more "safely" invadeable.
On the other hand not fond of the United States throwing its weight around like it's in charge of the world and not fond of monopolies in general.
So hard to settle on a reaction for this.
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 19 hours ago
After telling everyone they’re not the police of the world
Rug_Pisser@piefed.zip 15 hours ago
Wait no, I saw the documentary about a Team from America being the World Police!
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Detach from the geopolitics - another way to make memory has been announced at a time when much of the technology and product has been tied up by massive global investments. This could help ease the current memory drought. Will it still be around after the AI bubble pops? This fabrication process could be like fracking - an expense only justified by the current high cost of supply. Is it worth investing in if the bubble pops and kills any gains, evaporating the money sunk into it? Does China and the 1% want to take the risk that this new fab process works and scales? That’s the real stakes.
just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 minutes ago
Its memory we are talking about, literally everyone in the world already uses it. Its not like crypto or other tech that might become obsolete any time soon.
The profit margins might shrink but there will be emough uses for it for sure. Think of personal clouds, archives, maybe cheaper gpus etc etc.
Maybe we will discover/implement algorithms that exploit memory trade offs once it becomes cheap.
Aqarius@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Yeah, this is the correct take, I feel.
kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 hours ago
The RoC doesn’t make much RAM, to my knowledge. It’s the RoK that does that. Samsung, Micron, and SK Hynix all have their own fabs.
FaceDeer@fedia.io 15 hours ago
Ah, good, that makes this less of a dilemma then.
QuandaleDingle@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Yeah, this is a bit of a dilemma, to be sure.