Russia Has Lost 1.2 Million Troops in Ukraine—More Than Its Entire Pre-War Army

Comments

• Asafum@feddit.nl ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  This is why I don’t really understand the argument some people here make about Russia just trying to eliminate Nazis in Ukraine. What country would not only go to war and lose one million of their own people, but keep fighting that war, when they weren’t under direct threat and weren’t attacked?

  I don’t think one single large nation has ever gone to war for purely humanitarian reasons. Even the Nazis in WWII provoked an attack. Everyone was all cool with appeasing Hitler until they went and attacked people.

  source

  • Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    the argument some people here make about Russia just trying to eliminate Nazis in Ukraine.

    You should really block lemmy.ml, it’s much better for your blood pressure and mental health.

    source

    • Asafum@feddit.nl ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It doesn’t really bother me at all to be honest. I appreciate being able to read discussions wherever they’re from it’s pretty much why I’m on reddit.nl, they don’t seem to defederate from a lot of stuff. I appreciate letting the user decide what to block.

      source
  • robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    well for one thing that number is fake

    source
  • TankieTanuki@hexbear.net ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Russia views both NATO and Nazis across their border as direct threats. The former because they denied Russia’s attempted entry and have been steadfastly encroaching, and the latter because they slaughtered twenty million Russian civilians in WWII. Russian Ukrainians living in the east of Ukraine were attacked.

    source
  • mindbleach@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s not meant to be understood. They are not arguing - they’re just saying it. That’s the sequence of words which signals loyalty and promotes the ingroup over the outgroup.

    That’s the only thing conservatives ever do.

    source
  • OpenStars@piefed.social ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Bc Dear Leader said so? (then ignoring consent, sent people regardless)

    I suspect that you understand that argument better than you let on.

    source
  • brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Something about Ukraine being the aggressor, and NATO making them do it? And that number being total bogus capitalist propaganda.

    ---

    I like to frame it with a “western” equivalent: the US invading Canada. If we lost 1.2 million troops doing it, even with a lot of propaganda and kool aid to smooth it over, even if we knew, for a fact, they’re liberal narco nazis or whatever, how would it make any sense?

    ---

    …Then again, see: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties

    source
• NotThatKindOfFedPosting@hexbear.net ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  When you ask outlets to show their methodology, you get ~100-150k, which is three orders of magnitude lower.

  source

  • TankieTanuki@hexbear.net ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Just one, actually

    source
• TankieTanuki@hexbear.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I don’t trust any casualty tallies I’ve seen for either side, really—including the 1.7 million for Ukraine that was claimed by those hackers.

  The real numbers are likely closely guarded. We’ll have to wait for the historians to sort it out 10-20 years from now.

  However, we do have clues as to which country (if any) is facing a recruitment crisis and demographic collapse: One side has resorted to stalking men on the streets and press-ganging them.

  Many include family members or friends fighting desperately to prevent their loved one being taken against his will.

  the widespread and rising desertion rates from Ukraine’s armed forces only seem to provoke more violent recruitment practices and then civilian protests.

  It’s beyond dispute, because we have many hundreds of videos documenting the practice. I’ll never forget this mother trying to save her son, nor this man’s scream.

  Many Ukrainians are afraid to leave their homes. Several have died during their encounters with the “recruiters”, some of them choosing to take their own lives with grenades rather than be taken to the front, and some succumbing to injuries sustained while trying to resist. Ibid:

  On October 23, Ukrainian Roman Sopin died from heavy blunt trauma to the head after he had been forcibly recruited

  In August, a conscripted man, 36, died suddenly at a recruitment center in Rivne

  In June, 45-year-old Ukrainian-Hungarian Jozsef Sebestyen died after he was beaten with iron bars following his forced conscription

  In August, a conscript died from injuries sustained after he jumped out of a moving vehicle that was transporting him to the recruitment center

  source
• Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Notes -

  United 24 is Ukrainian state-affiliated media.

  Secondly, no, USSR was not necessarily any different from any country doing ‘human wave’ attacks.

  source

  • TankieTanuki@hexbear.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The “human wave” was Hitler’s invented excuse for the defeat of the Sixth Army at Stalingrad after having promised the German people for weeks that the city was sure to be captured “very soon”. In truth, they were defeated by a pincer counter attack.

    source
• Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Im pretty sure the 1.2m number just measures casualties, not corpses.

  If someone trips and breaks an ankle, that’s a casualty just as much as when someone tries to headbutt an FPV drone.

  Only one of those is unrecoverable though.

  source

  • velindora@lemmy.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Hey, I’ve been hit by my own drone and I survived. It didn’t have a bomb though. 🙃

    source
  • can_you_change_your_username@fedia.io ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    These totals include both those killed and severely wounded who will never return to combat—hence the classification as “irrecoverable losses.” Sources within Ukraine’s General Staff told UNITED24 Media that the proportion of killed Russian soldiers is rising each year. Early in the war, more troops were wounded than killed. That trend has now reversed.

    From the article. It doesn't count sprained ankles but does count things like foot blown off.

    source
  • favoredponcho@lemmy.zip ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Probably on average though, in includes injuries that can’t be recovered from.

    source
• ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Black Book-ass numbers

  source
• MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Losing 1.2 million troops…

  That is a lot of dead Russians.

  Surely, they must have lots to show for that level of sacrifice.

  source

  • Prove_your_argument@piefed.social ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Don’t forget all the latin americans, africans, middle easterners and asians. Over a hundred countries’ nationals have fought on the russian side of the war. The reasons are all over the place.

    source

    • MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The reasons are all over the place.

      Deceit. Whatever reason or job opportunity they thought they were signing up for, was just the pretense for the Russians to press them into service.

      source

      • -> View More Comments
  • worhui@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    A whole lot of them were not Russians. Lots of foreign fighters and conscripts from taken territory.

    I don’t think the Russians include those dead in official numbers.

    source
• DarkFuture@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Pretty sure Putin is just gonna keep going for it until he or every other Russian is dead.

  I guess don’t interrupt your enemy while they’re making a mistake.

  source
• Hux@lemmy.ml ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  If we stretch this thing out until the year 2509, we’ll get them down to zero.

  source

  • BrikoX@lemmy.zip ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    More like 35 years until they have 0 military age males left if the currect pace of losses continues. This also doesn’t factor in the people that fled the country after the conscriptions were announced.

    14/0.4 = 35

    According to the UN’s World Population Prospects report from 2019, there were a projected 14.25 million men aged 20-34 in Russia in 2020.

    russiamatters.org/…/russian-military-facing-loomi…

    source

    • Decq@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      Like Russia cares what age you are. As long as you can buffer a few bullets, you’re good to go!

      source
    • TankieTanuki@hexbear.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Sadly^[I mean that earnestly. Having an entire generation hollowed out of country is tragic in any context.], it’s just ~1-2 years for Ukraine. It’s why they’ve resorted to busification.

      Image

      source

      • -> View More Comments
    • Hux@lemmy.ml ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I am optimistic that a forward-thinking Russia of the future won’t deny 6 year old girls or 90 year old women the egalitarian opportunity to “defend the motherland”.

      source
    • Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      More like 35 years until they have 0 military age males left

      Nah, the thing with “military age” is that you can write down a new set of numbers.

      source