Submitted 4 months ago by BlackEco@lemmy.blackeco.com to technology@lemmy.world
The title is a bit misleading, as the article lists diverging analysts’ opinions, ranging from Valve willing to sell at a loss or low margins, to high prices due to RAM and SSD price volatility.
I'm ready, but Amd is not. I want 4k 120hz on my TV via Amd videocard. But this stupid hdmi forum is blocking this.
Is it an HDMI issue or an AMD issue? Given Nvidia have no issues, I’d call it an AMD issue.
Its HDMI forum issue. Because AMD want to implement in their Linux drivers (which are open-source). But HDMI forum do not want them to become open source, see related issue: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/1417
In fact, AMD already invested several months in fully testing and developing 4k 120Hz. Its possible, but the HDMI forum people are blocking this, because the HDMI forum has the latest saying.. Its all about money this world. And the HDMI forum is evil.
It has display port as well, for the picky
Sure, but most TVs don’t, which is the main issue with wanting to connect any Linux AMD build to a TV
Displayport to HDMI 2.1 adapter?
Regardless, fuck HDMI
They got fucked over the post few years while developing it. This thing is shittier then a 5 year old console.
They should have just accepted it and sold a decent box at $800.
And advertising it as 4k60? Straight up deceitful. Might as well call it 4k240 cause it runs cs1.6.
Blame the hdmi forum..
Oh come on. If they sell an 8gb of ram machine that is gimped for playing like a 3rd of games because of Linux for $1000 they are out of their fucking minds.
You can get a refurbished 4070 laptop for that amount of money, which would be a drastically more practical purchase.
For a little more you could get a 4070 desktop with 12gb of vram
less VRAM than the fucking switch 2
It’s 9 GB reserved for games, shared between CPU and GPU. That’s not more than 8GB dedicated video memory.
And gaming laptops suck so hard, one of the advertised features of the Machine is that it’s almost silent.
A third of games? What are you smoking?
Over 95% of games in my experience work on Linux, and perform better than windows.
What kind of people are still using Windows, anyway? That supports one of the most terrible companies on the planet, invades your privacy, worms into your brain, and takes over your hardware…all for your 1 or 2 games you want to play?
This Steam Machine is going to be a blowout success. Linux gaming is superior in nearly every way. It’s cheaper, it’s more ethical, and it gives you back control.
This Steam Machine is going to be a blowout success.
Haha. No it’s not. At $500 it might do alright. North of that it will fall flat. People into PC gaming will build something better. This is an attempt to get into console gaming. If it costs more than a PS5 or XSX, being able to run Steam games won’t save it.
I suspect it will be moderately successful but less so than the Steam Deck.
Higher RAM price is irrelevant as it acts on the whole market, it’s not a disadvantage specific to the Steam Machine
It may act on the whole market, but it doesn’t have the same impact on every OEM.
It’s a bigger issue for Valve than the console competition, who have established supply chains potentially with fixed prices for certain terms or at least more significant volume discounts, and proprietary compatibility hurdles binding their customers, so they can sell hardware at a loss if they want to.
If Valve sells the computers at a loss they run the risk of people buying them for other uses, without generating corresponding Steam profits.
They can’t sell this at a loss, or at least it would be incredibly risky. This is (intentionally) “just a PC”. It ships with SteamOS but you can of course install whatever you want, including windows. If it is (much) cheaper than a roughly equivalent normal PC, companies might just start buying them in bulk but obviously not generating the supporting sales needed.
I don’t think companies would be able to buy them in bulk, at least not directly.
Valve sells direct to consumer, no retail in the middle, they have their own online storefront (duh).
They’re not going to do a B2B mass order.
If a business wanted to try and stockpile them, for whatever reason, to turn into their own thing… or, to try to cause a price panic / supply shortage…
… they’d have to use/create basically a scalper network of essentially unaffiliated people.
I saw in a LTT video that they already claimed they will not be selling this at a loss because they want their hardware division to be self-sustaining.
I heard at one point in time the fastest super computer in the world was a cluster of 900 ps3. It was cheaper then buying a single computer and in the beginning of the ps3 era you could easily format and run Linux on them.
I certainly remember PS2 consoles being used like that. The cell processor was impressive.
If they sell it only through Steam as they do with the Steam Deck, companies wouldn’t really be able to buy them in bulk.
If this post is intended as discussion material; No, not as long that I have my stationary computer that fills my gaming needs.
I guess if you have a stationary computer that fills your gaming needs you really aren’t the target group regardless of the price.
I have two consoles for the family and casual gaming I’d LOVE to replace.
This ain’t it.
Who is?
There is zero market for an underpowered “PC” console gimped from half of PC games by Linux.
This thing just does not make any sense
Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
I’m calling $700 US price. Valve’s the only company that can get into the console space with console prices since the real revenue source is the game store they run
kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
799 and 999 are my best guesses
vin@lemmynsfw.com 4 months ago
It’s not a console, it’s a general purpose PC
reev@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
The problem is that it makes less sense for them to sell at a loss than for example Xbox or Sony. It’s just a capable PC, corporations could buy hundreds or thousands and they wouldn’t make a cent off of game sales.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 4 months ago
Why on earth would corporations buy this? Lol
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
Valve sells direct to consumer, not via retail.
They’re not gonna knowingly do a B2B sale.
A business that wanted to swipe them all would have to create or hire a scalper network of seemingly unafilliated buyers, and I am guessing this would be outside of the capability/risk tolerance level of … basically everyone right now, as the economy is imploding Hard.
megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
I don’t think most corporations would be interested in buying a computer that doesn’t include a windows license. Unless they intend to use it for like… server stuff, but they’d be way better off buying like… actual server hardware… if only for the operating cost.
Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
It’s not impossible, however, have you seen what corporations buy for their employees? Saving on upfront cost isn’t really part of the equation, it just has to say “dell” and/or “workstation” on it. A large company values long-term support and supply way more than what they’d save by getting a gaming machine.
And besides all that, it’s not like the best selling console of all time didn’t make money because a (objectively large) minority of owners only used it as a DVD player.
Rooster326@programming.dev 4 months ago
Uh the same could be said for Sony, Xbox and to a greater extent Nintendo but they’d rather make oodles of noodles money at every interaction.