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The Economist on using phrenology for hiring and lending decisions: "Some might argue that face-based analysis is more meritocratic" […] "For people without access to credit, that could be a blessing"

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Submitted ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨cypherpunks@lemmy.ml⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

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cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/38830374

screenshot of text “Imagine appearing for a job interview and, without saying a single word, being told that you are not getting the role because your face didn’t fit. You would assume discrimination, and might even contemplate litigation. But what if bias was not the reason? What if your face gave genuinely useful clues about your probable performance at work? That question is at the heart of a recent research”

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screenshot of text “a shorter one. Some might argue that face-based analysis is more meritocratic than processes which reward, say, educational attainment. Kelly Shue of the Yale School of Management, one of the new paper’s authors, says they are now looking at whether AI facial analysis can give lenders useful clues about a person’s propensity to repay loans. For people without access to credit, that could be a blessing.”

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  • pyre@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    this should be grounds for a prison sentence. open support for Nazism shouldn’t be covered by free speech laws.

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  • Passerby6497@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “Some might argue that the authors of this article have their head so far up their own ass that they haven’t seen daylight in years”

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  • ICastFist@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah, nothing says “this person will repay their loans” like looking at their face and nothing fucking else.

    I love how you can just call it capetalismo in portuguese, capeta = devil

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  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Wait a minute, this sounds suspiciously familiar… I think I heard about the psudoscience of a government measuring the size of people’s heads to try to find out their ethnicity… somewhere in Rwanda… 🧐

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    • ivanafterall@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There was also a German fella that got up to similar hijinks awhile back.

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  • leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Me and my hammer would be happy to offer our retrophrenological services to any executives looking to improve their performance and personality (painkillers not included).

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  • BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m not sure we’re going to make it y’all.

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  • xyguy@startrek.website ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Measles, theocratic government, phrenology: everything old is new again.

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  • AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Image

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  • Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The Economist is generally a pretty good news source, but I thought this article was subpar.

    Irrespective of whether this facial evaluation algorithm works or not, as things stand today, it is pointless to discuss its use in the context of meritocracy. A regime founded upon the rejection of personal responsibility, corruption and criminality makes such discussions irrelevant (algorithm or no algorithm).

    At the risk of sounding like an accelerationist, I can’t get rid of the feeling that the regime members are really busy doing their best to make a new metaphorical rope.

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    • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The Economist is generally a pretty good news source,

      Gotta be drinking the pseudo-science sauce to believe this.

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      • Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Literally promoting phrenology.

        That’s why I said this article was subpar. And I even commented on this in pretty harsh terms:

        the regime members are really busy doing their best to make a new metaphorical rope

        I don’t agree with a lot of what they say, but I don’t believe they are malicious, at least to the extent that many American news sources are.

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      • Maeve@kbin.earth ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Plus the post filled with buzzwords that superficially sound smart strung together in a way that say nothing of value.

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  • devolution@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Bringing back racism and good vibes under “scientific principle.”

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  • pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “If he’s black, get him out of here”

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  • KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Bro has the brainpan of a stagecoach tilter

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  • LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Disturbing. What is the proposed mechanism here? Or is it unknown?

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    • AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They just use the buzzword “AI”, but in reality it’s probably going to be a machine learning algorithm.

      Take the dataset, split out the groups of people you do/don’t want to hire based on whatever criteria, train the model to be more likely to pick faces with characteristics from the “do hire” group, and less likely to pick those from the “don’t hire” group.

      Then, use it on real people, and it will provide similar outcomes based on faces.

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      • LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        What I meant was, what is the mechanism that supposedly connects facial features to job performance?

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  • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That image reminds me a meme from “Scientific diagrams that look like shitposts”. It was titled something like “Mask of Damascus(?)/Triagones(?) - Acquire it (from a prisoner(?)) with a scimitar!”

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  • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    youtube.com/watch?v=FVvg1CKBE20

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  • basiclemmon98@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Ooh yay, more ways for employer’s AI to autoreject people! How fun!

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  • Deathray5@lemmynsfw.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think Lenin (for all his problems), had a good criticism of the economist though I can’t find a great source for it

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    • Postimo@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The Economist, a journal that speaks for the British millionaires, is pursuing a very instructive line in relation to the war.

      www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/…/01c.htm

      For all his problems??

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  • iAvicenna@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Is that…an AI generated image?

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