Microsoft Teams can record office presence from December

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• RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Implementing useless features and fixing nothing since 1975.

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  • 1984@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Actually true. I have no idea what features that were actual improvements, at least since windows 7.

    Windows is the same shit it always was. A total mess of slow, ugly programs and lots of annoying notifications and stream of updates that makes the system slower and slower.

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    • CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Dont forget the constant shuffling of buttons and menus so that you are constantly learning everything for the first time and can never become proficient at using their software.

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• Nighed@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I mean, it’s a useful feature… But only if you have a good company culture.

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  • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    if you have a good company culture you don’t use teams

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  • Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Which is as probable as winning the lottery.

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    • Nighed@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They exist, but people don’t leave them once there, so new jobs don’t come up as often.

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  • mesamunefire@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I have an awesome job. But its probably because of the union.

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• elvith@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I mean… Is it really spying? Your company can detect which AP or Switch you’re connected to (or if you’re using a VPN from home), so they do have that data anyways.

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  • smeg@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    There’s a huge difference between a piece of data being recorded in a SIEM somewhere and the data being displayed up front all of the time for micro managers to pounce on.

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  • Tire@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s just like ai photo generation. Yes it could always be done with photoshop/checking network logs but making it easier for more people/managers to see encourages more bad behavior and micromanagement.

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  • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    if they bother setting it up

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    • Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah this is shitty managers wet dream coming through.

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    • theneverfox@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Well, surely someone will set it up for you… For a fee

      Maybe even a subscription, why not

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  • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    yes

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• FelixCress@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  All it does it checks in which building you are. While moderately intrusive I cannot really see a straightforward relation to home working - surely people don’t pretend to be in the office when they are working from home?

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  • ViatorOmnium@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Those are all thing that can all be controlled by the direct lead on any well run company.

    I know from my own work that some mediocre middle managers wanted a rigid technological enforcement of the hybrid work framework and are probably dreaming about rolling out a “feature” like this.

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  • saltesc@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah, that’s so much effort, I’d want to be paid extra for it.

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• Bo7a@piefed.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  just wait till you learn about how accurate hot desking software is.

  Jesus Christ, if you didn’t think your company knew if you were in one building or another before today, you’re a fucking idiot.

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• Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Fun fact, you can use most of teams through teams.microsoft.com

  Do yourself and your coworkers a favor and minimize how often Teams is running. If anyone asks just say the desktop version was buggy - no one who has used teams will deny it.

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• Evotech@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Luckily this kind of data is illegal to use in Norway

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• oyzmo@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Teams is so slow and is missing so many quality of life features.

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• captainastronaut@seattlelunarsociety.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This seems like surveillance disguised as a mostly useless feature. If you are in the office and logging into a video call, you’re probably using the hardware in a conference room and not your own laptop. That hardware will already display the room you are calling from to everyone on the call.

  The only reason for this feature is to tattle on people who aren’t where they say they are.

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  • Evotech@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Teams usually always runs in the background

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• llamatron@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  There’s a whole bunch of ways to do that already. This isn’t really new

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  • captainastronaut@seattlelunarsociety.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Not for the average spineless middle manager. This puts the data in their hands without having to get any approval from anyone in IT

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    • Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The manager should know if you are at home or in the office. I cant think of a reason why that information would be out of the ordinary.

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• varnia@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Just keep moving the Wifi APs for maximum chaos and open bug reports to Mircosoft since location service is unreliable.

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• mesamunefire@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  So if I’m reading this right, won’t a VPN totally fuck with the system? Cause its a nessessity for some to get into local networking.

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  • theneverfox@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    No, because this isn’t looking at networking, it’s looking at wifi access points

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    • mesamunefire@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      So if I’m using something lime Cisco secure client this bypasses the default security? I’m still missing something here.

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• Kyrgizion@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Teams isn’t the program actively spying on people (yet), that’s Viva engage.

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• IWW4@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I guess the only part of this that is remarkable is that they are doing it with Teams.

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• jjlinux@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Just create a wifi mirroring the one you use at work at home, done.

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  • hietsu@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s what I do to get our company ”protection suite” to open up the firewall when I’m outside company network - just set the same Wifi SSID and IP range.

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  • magguzu@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I feel like they would at least do it by the interface MAC address.

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    • jjlinux@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah, I was also thinking that cloning the Gateway or AP MAC address would help obscure what we’re doing 🤣

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• LodeMike@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  1. No way it’s accurate to a single room
  2. This would have to be set up by the company. There’s no way to automatically detect room from a specific AP or whatever.

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  • tja@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You are correct, but you would have to read more that the title of this post to know that. To copy what op already cited:

    set the work location accordingly to the respective building.

    It will only tell you in which building the person is, not in which room.

    And yes, the company still has to tell teams which building has which Wi-Fi SSN. So this is completely on the company to enable and configure

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    • LodeMike@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Oops read it slightly wrong :!

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  • Brkdncr@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Sure there is.

    Keep a database of bssid’s and their gps coordinates.

    Triangulate your location by the bssids around you and their signal strength.

    You can use the netsh command in windows to see this info. You can use an app like geomac to see the location info of bssid’s from google, apple, Microsoft, and others.

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• corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The fact that Cisco has been able to triangulate your phone’s wifi mac position in 2d space for a decade is unrelated. It’s how protesters are being tagged and tracked on the day.

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• Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Why are we pretending like someone working hybrid needs to hide their office status during work hours? Its not a privacy issue for your work to know where you are while you’re working for them.

  Plus there is already a ton of ways your employer gets this data its not like any new ground is being broken here.

  I dont get the outrage with this one NGL.

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  • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Slippery slope surveillance.

    I worked at a shop where the boss was very curious when people went idle. So, if you were white-boarding a problem with a peer, you’d both get asked later where you were – since your mouse was idle.

    It got tiring. it was one of the reasons why I left.

    But those people are out there, and they’re hindering the career of people who appear idle because #goodhartsLaw, and sometimes you don’t know they’re doing it.

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    • Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That to me seems like micromanager issue more than an issue with thr software. There are plenty of good managers and teams where they get great benefit from being able to at a glance see if you’re in office that day. In every team ive worked in its expected to update your status to display where you are working.

      I’d like to not have to update my status as often and have it update automatically, save everyone a bit of hassle.

      If we think about the bad micromanager situation a bit more without this they might be less comfortable with the idea of having people work from home so giving them this info helps them keep track better which allows them to give their team the freedom to remotely work.

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  • 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    the only people in uproar about this are the same people who use those auto mouse pads or whatever they are called.

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• explodicle@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I don’t connect to the company wifi at all. No good can come from that.

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  • nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I love company Wi-Fi. I love company. pays my money. connect directly to my tight holes

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• supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Since consumers hate AI, the only way to keep the bubble going is by selling worker surveillance software to businesses and trying to normalize it, Microsoft is a loser company.

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