Submitted 2 days ago by Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com to aboringdystopia@lemmy.world
cross-posted from: lemmy.ca/post/53484820
If you scroll to the bottom of the article, they post their sources, including studies published in peer reviewed journals. I’m sure most of us see this headline and go, “Duh,” but here we have hard data. Every time our billionaire and political overlords wring their hands about birthrates, the collective response from all of us should be, “fuck you, pay me, or kick rocks.”
Can’t afford a nest, yeah the birds aren’t gonna lay the eggs.
Don’t forget that even doing the multi generation home means that there is little space for human expansion there. So while I grew up with my great grandparents the room they used up is now my siblings. Even in my cousins house they only got their own room because their great grandma died and grandfather died. Then my other cousin took over the 2 car garage and turned it into a living suite. And the Basement? Last cousin took it over. These are just adults that cant do any better. How are they going to find room for kids unless someone else dies?
This is such an important finding if true. Does anyone have an idea about how reliable this is/ know of other news outlets reporting this as definitively?
I see sources which corroborate the thesis here and I’m asking if there are other news or policy outlets which agree with this.
Reason I think this is important is because falling birthrates are blamed on all kinds of reasons which are typical societal scapegoats. I’ve heard everything from immigrantiin, to women having jobs, to porn, and even videogames. I’d love it of we could focus on things that actually matter
I’ve heard everything from immigrants, to women having jobs, to porn, and even videogames.
Sounds like you’re listening to dumbasses
even if this article confirms my suspicions: it’s AI slop and i dismiss it.
fuck ai
Doesn’t make the data fake
It’s nice to see an actually study confirming what I have been saying for years now.
The only surprise for me is that this is happening in places like Germany which have higher salaries rather than only places like my native Portugal which for Europe has shit salaries.
I have a Finance Industry background and lived in Britain for a decade before I came back to my home country, and Britain was about 5 - 10 years ahead in their realestate bubble, so it was painfully obvious to me when I arrive in Portugal that high house prices (in a country with shit salaries in European terms) was causing the country to have one of the most aged populations in the World:
So because of high housing costs relative to incomes and insecure employment (for certain early in one’s career, for some for a lot longer), people massivelly delay just starting a family until they can earn enough to actually be able to afford their own home, then delay the having their first child until they can actually afford the time off work for one member of a couple or having climbed enough the career path that they have an actual secure job were they get paid time off AND until they can afford the costs of raising a child AND can afford to move to a house with a room for the child (or at least have a prospect of being able to do so in a few years before the child reachers their teenage years).
So all this so that in their mid to late 30s they can have just 1 child.
Then for the second child it’s yet more “climb the career until you can afford to raise more children” AND “earn enough to upsize your home to have one more room” and at this point people start worring about the risks for the mother and the baby of “having a child in your 40s”, plus people are getting a bit fed up with the decades of nothing but fighting (extra nasty in Portugal which has a “working long hours” culture) just to be able to get another kid
So most people give up on having a 2nd child - the overwhelming majority of couples I know here only have 1 child.
Remember, 2 children per person is still below the 2.4 average need to merely maintain population size.
(Oh, and on the “funny” side, all this shit then leads to government choosing to import immigrants “because working-age population is falling” which then leads to other problems due to the higher rate of cultural misunderstanding and collisions when people with different cultures arrive in large numbers without enough time to integrate, all of which boosts the anti-immigration Far-Right)
The solution, IMHO is two fold:
…govt.nz/…/births-and-deaths-year-ended-march-202…
New Zealand is at roughly 1.6, and our housing market is pretty cooked as well, although the situation is improving.
So yeah, that tracks.
Where is the new study? They have sources at the bottom but which one is the actual study they talk about?
All of the source links have
?utm_source=chatgpt.com
at the end, pretty sure the article itself is just a LLM bullshitting, especially with how vague it is and never directly cites anything.
I’d also bring in the ripple effect of this. We know there’s not enough children being born.
There’s not going to be a workforce to pay our pensions when we get old. I’m less likely to spend my money on a dependant, when I should be buying property as a commodity so that I can have means to live at old age.
Hadn’t considered that! I’m already middle-aged with two small children, too late for me.
Sanctus@lemmy.world 2 days ago
The Oroborous can do nothing but consume its own tail. It will never understand why this happens. Billionaires should not exist.