The Web is Going to Die

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• Eldritch@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  As we know it? It already has several times. How many of you out there are browsing the web using Gofer? The centralized oligarchcentric web that we know today needs to die and great new things are coming along to take its place. Returned to more sustainable collaborative websites and services. Like the fediverse.

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  • EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The only solace I take in the enshittification of the web and the resulting rise in prices, is that we might see (be forced into) a return the small web and an escape from the stranglehold that big tech and social media has had on us for the last 15 years.

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    • gary@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I see a lot of potential for it to push people back to the small web too. Lots of people becoming interested in personal blogs lately, decentralized social media, the whole indie web movement, etc.

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    • Eldritch@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Definitely. The conditions that created this version of the web have been gone for some time now. We've gone from connections that were temporarily and required hours to download a few minutes of postage stamp sized video. To always on connections capable of streaming multiple HD streams faster than real time in both directions.

      For my part I'm also looking in to purchasing and trying to set up a small Adhoc mesh Halow network and running a few services on it for myself and any others in the neighborhood that are interested. A small, free (after the hardware) anarchist wireless network. 16mbps can do a lot with simple services, etc.Plus, if a number of people in the area decided to adopt and contribute more nodes to the mesh, you could go faster still.

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    • docus@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Back to dial up internet and BBS

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  • masterofn001@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mother_of_All_Demos

    The 90-minute live demonstration featured the introduction of a complete computer hardware and software system called the oN-Line System or, more commonly, NLS, which demonstrated for the first time many of the fundamental elements of modern personal computing, including windows, hypertext, graphics, efficient navigation and command input, video conferencing, the computer mouse, word processing, dynamic file linking, revision control, and a collaborative real-time editor.

    In 1968

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  • tal@olio.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    How many of you out there are browsing the web using Gofer?

    Gopher predated the Web.

    I do agree that there have been pretty major changes in the way websites worked, though. I’m not hand-coding pages using a very light, Markdown-like syntax with <em></em>, for example.

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    • jj4211@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      <blink>Welcome to my web page under construction</blink>

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    • Eldritch@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That depends on how you define the web. If you only call the web the web when it was named the web and not what it was before it was named the web. Then yes you're correct that was before the web. The question is, is that a semantic or significant difference? ARPANET was still a web of interconnected systems. For an old goober like myself.who was using FidoNet net back in the mid 80s. And the actual internet in the late 80s, early 90s. I definitely remember Gophering on the Internet. Plenty of places still maintained gopher directories till the mid 90s.

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  • b_tr3e@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Gopher was not the original protocol of the web but an alternative to HTTP/hypertext. It didn’t get the same traction, however, and has practically been dead for decades.

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  • tabular@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Why Gofer when Gemini?

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  • Aatube@kbin.melroy.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I sympathize, but Gopher is designed against hypertext (inline links in text)

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    • Eldritch@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I would argue that's not quite correct. You can absolutely transfer HTML files over gopher, but you're not going to be viewing it in the gopher program.It was very much designed to be what most people would be more familiar with in concept as an FTP server today, almost. Pretty much all you could view in app were plain text files. and no links between. Everything else was a directory of files to be downloaded.

      Gemini is definitely a bit of an inbetween. It does allow for linking between documents, but otherwise keeps everything simple and small, much like Gopher did.

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    • Jason2357@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Impossible? gopher://gopherpedia.com:70/1

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  • Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I still think the web took a wrong turn when NCSA Mosaic first stated supporting inline images.

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    • Eldritch@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Gemini space baby! What's old is new again.

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    • tal@olio.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I questioned Reddit doing so, and now we’ve got it on Lemmy. There are privacy issues unless your home instance is proxying images for you.

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  • architect@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Fuck yes.

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• FaceDeer@fedia.io ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Long ago, when I first got on the Internet, the big social media forum was Usenet. It was a distributed network of instances where users would have an account on a particular instance, where they could subscribe to "newsgroups" dedicated to particular topics. Their instance would broadcast their posts to a newsgroup to all the other instances that were following that newsgroup, so everyone could interact even if they were on different instances.

  Then the World Wide Web grew, and centralized sites like Digg and Reddit appeared that handled the same sort of social media. Usenet faded. It's still around, I suppose, though these days last I checked it's largely a mechanism for distributing pirated files.

  Someday those centralized sites might also fade. Who knows, maybe a decentralized system like Usenet might grow again to replace it?

  The wheel turns.

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  • Broadfern@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So Usenet was the first fedi site? Reassuring that the concept predates the current paradigm and still has legs, however niche it is atm.

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    • _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I mean, sort of? It was decentralized because that was just the nature of the early net, rather than a conscious choice to avoid governments and corporations censoring you. They simply didn’t have anything like the net we have today.

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    • frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Sort of. It predated the web, so calling it a “site” is wrong. Just like you can have an email application that’s completely separate from your web browser, you can have a Usenet client that’s also its own thing. Of course, people made web-based clients as time went on.

      Your ISP ran a Usenet server that connected to other Usenet servers. The biggest problem with this system was that your ISP would automatically delete posts past a certain age. Following old threads was a pain.

      Google Groups started as a Usenet archive where messages were kept forever. Google bought them and turned it into what it is now.

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    • b_tr3e@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s why almost no ISP is offering it anymore. No one made money from it, so dump it, maybe try to squeeze some cash out of those hwo really want it but better just drop it.

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    • vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      No, it was every service replicating all posts in groups it served.

      Like FTP mirrors of FOSS software, there are plenty of mirrors of Debian, for example. Except far bigger traffic.

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• _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I get what the video is saying, but I don’t see this as a bad thing. We moved on from many of those services because we found better ways to do things, or at least ways that we liked more. And when we move on from the services we use now, it’ll be because we once again found something we liked better.

  The internet has died several times, but each time it came back in some new way that had adapted to the new ideas and ways we came up with on how to interact with each other. I’m sure when it dies next, we’ll replace it with something that better fits our changing wants and needs.

  And hopefully, when that time comes, it’s something much more decentralized and resilient against governments and corporations meddling and censoring us.

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• b_tr3e@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  …and YouTube is one of the major reasons. The web’s not a fucking TV and if you’re using it as a TV you’ll get stupid even faster than from watching actual TV.

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  • MimicJar@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Wouldn’t that depend on what you’re watching?

    You can watch reality TV on YouTube, or traditional television.

    You can watch educational content and documentaries on YouTube, or traditional television.

    Hell you can watch some traditional TV shows on YouTube or traditional television.

    YouTube is just a platform for hosting content. Now they may have a “better” algorithm compared to traditional television, but that doesn’t really change much.

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    • b_tr3e@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Well, have a look what content is getting the most views. I had no idea someone could be that stupid.

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• etchinghillside@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Aside: what’s the gist of this channel? I’m not really familiar with it but the last few things I’ve seen of it appear to be two brothers communicating to each other via vlogs?

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  • Brewchin@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The Green brothers are interesting and thoughtful. They try to be an overall positive influence on the internet, even aside from their vlogbrothers thing.

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  • Passerby6497@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Pretty much, vlogs as if it were two people communicating back and forth via message. Hank is a really smart dude and also works on the SciShow channel, and his videos are generally pretty good/insightful IMO.

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  • Aatube@kbin.melroy.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    just general vlogs about their interests

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• Aatube@kbin.melroy.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  im ded guys

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  • Linktank@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    *This comment will eventually become accurate.

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