What mechanisms are there to limit bad actors?
flohmarkt a federated alternative to ebay and facebook marketplace
Submitted 3 weeks ago by tofu@lemmy.nocturnal.garden to selfhosted@lemmy.world
https://codeberg.org/flohmarkt/flohmarkt
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skisnow@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
HubertManne@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
I doubt there is any. With craiglist you did in person cash in a public setting. I only did exchanges in the police station parking lot and they had cameras for that purpose.
blave@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Starbucks always worked for me. plenty public and plenty of cameras
poVoq@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
The strict location specificity at least strongly limits the usefulness for spamming the network with commercial ads, but apparently people here in this comment thread think this is bad design 🙄
Otherwise, could you be more specific about what kind of bad actor you mean? Obviously you can’t really prevent someone from posting fake ads for what ever nefarious purpose.
non_burglar@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Come on.
but apparently people here in this comment thread think this is bad design 🙄
- Users ask questions about "How would this work?"
- You gave us answers that don’t seem to work for any of our use cases
- Eyeroll emoji cause the user is wrong, apparently
And on top of it, you are becoming belligerent to users insisting they don’t know what they’re talking about.
Arcka@midwest.social 3 weeks ago
One thing I would find valuable is mechanisms to dissuade the listings with obviously false prices. So many things on CL that aren’t really free or $1.
skisnow@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
How does location specificity limit spam? Surely the nature of spam is it costs nothing to produce and is done en masse.
And I mean any kind of bad actor really. Spammer, scammer, or even just a griefer deciding the gum up the system for lulz.
To be clear these are genuine questions, I’m not here to shit on the project or anything. I’d love more than anything for there to be good answers to them.
ubergeek@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
What mechanisms are there to limit bad actors on ebay and other commercial marketplaces?
Very little.
skisnow@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
I’m not here to cheerlead for eBay, but I don’t think that’s entirely true.
Routhinator@startrek.website 3 weeks ago
EBay is an exception here, its also not a classified ads site.
EBay is an auction house. Auction houses have stricter rules.
Classified ads is you grandma posting her VCR for sale, or selling your used boat locally. Its a parallel to a newspaper classified section. There has never been any control on sites like this other than “buyer beware”. Craigslist, Kijiji and Facebunk Marketplace are all classified ad equivalents and have zero guarantee or protections usually.
Given these are meant to be local ads, the onus is on the buyer to go to the sellers house and verify what they are buying.
curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 3 weeks ago
Reputation via buyer/seller history on eBay. Not so much on craigslist.
On reddit, you’d have a bot that tracked purchases and sales and their successes, which would automatically post reputation on new posts/comments in each thread.
Jason2357@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
The various local options -like FB marketplace - don’t have anything. When shipping things, yes Ebay has a really decent dispute process (leaning in favor of purchasers). Something like this would be best to aim for the local market first rather than shipped items that are harder to manage.
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
huh? any serious marketplace has cheap or free basic insurance for purchases.
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
The same mechanisms that limit it on Kijiji and Craigslist, plus community labour by mods I imagine.
Strit@lemmy.linuxuserspace.show 3 weeks ago
There is an instance of this in Denmark, that I have used a couple of times already. It is a nice alternative.
Hope they implement “range” soon, so you can tell how far away an item is.
tofu@lemmy.nocturnal.garden 3 weeks ago
Oh cool, did you actually get stuff moved?
Strit@lemmy.linuxuserspace.show 3 weeks ago
Yeah. I’ve sold a thing or two using it.
ayyo@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Read “ad software” and was beyond terrified for a moment
tofu@lemmy.nocturnal.garden 3 weeks ago
Finally, selfhostable ads to deploy across your homelab services!
AbidanYre@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’ll just go ahead and put ads.mydomain.net into uBo. And… Done.
rozodru@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
welp guess I’ll set up a Canadian instance for this today. I like it. good idea.
Bo7a@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Let us know your URL if you could. I was thinking of doing it myself, but if you have the spoons, all the better.
rozodru@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
sure thing, just gonna get started on it now so….give me like 20min.
poVoq@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
Awesome, that is how it is done! Kudos to you 👍
I’ll probably also make my location specific instance public once I got a nice landing page for the main domain as I want to add a few other services and not only Flohmarkt in the medium term.
tofu@lemmy.nocturnal.garden 3 weeks ago
Which other location specific services do you have in mind? I’ve been thinking about similar things on and off. Mobilizon is a thing, and something with groups but I’m not sure what would work for locals.
dudesss@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Thank you! I was wondering if there would be one soon. Glad some people were already offering to do the job.
exhausted_sneakers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
🫡
Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 3 weeks ago
so… Don’t be a dick
That should be your first rule! 😁
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
billwashere@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Finally… eBay went to shit years ago with scams and Craigslist is a shell of what it once was. Not to mention I cancelled Facebook years ago because … we’ll because Fuck Zuck.
sirboozebum@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Craigslist is simple and still going strong.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
not everything on craigslist is a scam at least. i got a very nice cargo trike through there for like $2000 less than it’s worth
billwashere@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Actually, I don’t think I’ve ever even come close to being scammed on Craigslist… knock on wood.
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 3 weeks ago
This sounds nice - when i’m done with getting my life back in order i’m gonna start selfhosting for real, and this goes onto the “to implement"-pile!
HelloRoot@lemy.lol 3 weeks ago
Don’t do a large pile, when you get to it, start with the smallest possible thingy thats easy and fun.
ravenaspiring@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Having spent a good amount of the last several weeks working on several self hosted things,I would have to agree. Simple projects shouldn’t take long… But some shit happens.
When something is done and working, it is satisfying.
AceBonobo@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Cool idea.
BlackSnack@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Love this! Ive been looking for a replacement to facebook marketplace. Too bad there are no instances set up in my country yet
lwuy9v5@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Oh! I had wanted to make something like this, awesome!
artyom@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Would be very cool if it actually had basic functionality, like searching for items that are actually near me and not 3045390 miles way…
poVoq@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
By default Flohmarkt recommends to set a location and only federate with instances in a certain geographic location. So if you only see far away ads, then you are either using the wrong instance or the instance is misconfigured.
artyom@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
I only see far away ads because there are no public instances on my continent, as far as I can tell.
curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 3 weeks ago
So location is by instance and not by user?
That seems an odd (and kind of problematic) design…
rumba@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Wait, you mean it actually won’t let you set your location and search for local ads?
If someone is going to build a site for selling things, that’s ‘kind of’ the most important part of the site. Having it be federated makes that a thousand times worse. Now I’m supposed to find other local federated services in my area?
That is so against how any of this works.
Lemmchen@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Okay, so you’re saying this will never be broadly used. Got it.