Great, the programmer humor has inherited “JavaScript bad” from Reddit. Lemmy is already enshittifying.
Sometimes there is a better choice than Javascript
Submitted 10 months ago by alexcoder04@programming.dev to programmer_humor@programming.dev
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Xylight@lemmy.xylight.dev 10 months ago
elbarto777@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Wait, wait, don’t confuse terms. I wouldn’t want to hear the use of enshitification the same way people are wrongly using “gaslighting.”
Yes, I agree with you on the sentiment. Sucks that the same bs posted on reddit is creeping into lemmy.
But the platform is the same. Lemmy is not adding ads, or removing api access or shit like that.
FoxBJK@midwest.social 10 months ago
Sucks that the same bs posted on reddit is creeping into lemmy
I’m seeing this in a few communities and it’s really frustrating. It’s not surprising, because it’s not like Lemmy has something built into the software to prevent it, it’s just disappointing.
ursakhiin@beehaw.org 10 months ago
That’s not a Reddit thing. That’s just a thing.
tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
And python was created to teach programming. And PHP was something a guy used to maintain his webpage. If a language is useful it will gain popularity, and I never used a language which I didn’t find frustrating at some point.
princess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 months ago
There are only two kinds of languages: the ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses.
ShunkW@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Yeah. I don’t like writing JavaScript and I hate when I’m forced to use it to do something that could be handled otherwise except reasons. But especially with later versions it’s not the worst thing in the world. I work in ruby on rails and love hotwire that lets me avoid js more than before. But still js isn’t literally Hitler like people make it out to be
sarsaparilyptus@midwest.social 10 months ago
JavaScript is an abomination and real jobs don’t use it
woozy@beehaw.org 10 months ago
uh i use it every day at my very real job?
Feyter@programming.dev 10 months ago
Hey stop being sarcastic! This is a serious programing community here… Wait.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 10 months ago
Things can be both bad and useful.
princess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 months ago
whoa whoa whoa
how can we have a flamewar if youre going to be all reasonable like that
FoxBJK@midwest.social 10 months ago
Never heard of or , eh?
noproblemmy@programming.dev 10 months ago
And why did you feel the need to bring up those suppressed memories?
ICastFist@programming.dev 10 months ago
Wrong, annoying animations was Flash’s thing. Javascript was made for annoying popups and alert boxes
float@feddit.de 10 months ago
Also for these animated status line texts that were supposed to show what’s being loaded currently.
rothaine@beehaw.org 10 months ago
“Sometimes there is a better choice than JavaScript”
We call it TypeScript
bjornp_@lemm.ee 10 months ago
I heard they’re looking to add typing to JavaScript in a very similar style as TypeScript. Basically running TypeScript in the browser without
tsc
.There’s at least a proposal which I hope they’ll continue with.
BobbyBandwidth@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Like typescript?
dis_honestfamiliar@lemmy.world 10 months ago
That’s JavaScript with extra steps.
asyncrosaurus@programming.dev 10 months ago
I was there for the first wave of SPAs, I even learned angularJs and Knockout. It did feel like a major atep forward, being able to make highly interactive applications. However, things quickly went off the rails when the tools stopped being about managing heavy client state, and became the default for everything, even when it ment using JavaScript to build extremely basic functionally browsers did natively with html, but extremely worse(e.g. navigation). The modern Web really is a victim of hype and trends.
Unless your app needs to work offline, or you have to manage dozens of constantly changing client side data points concurrently, your site doesn’t need to be a big heavy js framework. My rule is if it looks like Google Maps, you need a SPA. if it looks like Gmail you need REST/HATEOS. and if it looks like google’s mainpage, you need a server side rendering.
At some point you might see the light, and go back to making your websites simpler, but Im not hopeful. Until then I’m building the majority of things with HTMX and alpineJs.
fidodo@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I make fully static sites using react
AgentEnder@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Yeah, I’ve personally been using react and vite-plugin-ssr to static render things and while there’s been a few bumps it still feels pretty nice
redcalcium@lemmy.institute 10 months ago
Say that to the madlad who wrote a virtual machine in js that can boot Linux and Windows: bellard.org/jslinux/
ICastFist@programming.dev 10 months ago
Something something he could, something he should
Feyter@programming.dev 10 months ago
I thought that’s what GIF was created for… Even if the original introduction of it is saying something completely different.
oxideseven@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
Doing Odin Project now and the constant shiting on JS online is sort of crushing my motivation. 😫
BrucePotality@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Don’t worry about, JS is a fine language and is used by all of the top companies. If you want to get a job as a software developer you have decent odds if you learn JS
FoxBJK@midwest.social 10 months ago
As someone currently job hunting - native JS isn’t enough anymore. Everyone wants React devs. I see some posts for Vue or Angilar and sometimes even TypeScript but the vast majority want React coders now.
garyyo@lemmy.world 10 months ago
If you don’t hate a programming language you simply haven’t used it enough or are delusional. Every language sucks in its own special way, js ain’t special.
z3n0x@feddit.de 10 months ago
cue “if those kids could read they’d be very upset”
Reliant1087@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I agree with you that every language has its flaws but JS feels like it was a hodgepodge created without any design philosophy in mind. I don’t use C or lisp in day to day work but I can appreciate their philosophies and power. Can’t say the same about JS.
ursakhiin@beehaw.org 10 months ago
JS is fine. But as with any tool it’s not the best for every scenario.
The flak JS tends to get us mostly because of the rise of popularity is Node.js leading to backend JavaScript beginning commonplace. which it’s overall a poor choice for backend when compared to many other languages as the strengths that JS has are more tailored to frontend.
HKayn@dormi.zone 10 months ago
Don’t let it get to you. This is mostly just a circlejerk by people who don’t even use JS themselves.
elbarto777@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Don’t listen to the javascript haters.
glad_cat@lemmy.sdf.org 10 months ago
Honest answer: JS is a shitty language and I despise it. BUT you can learn a ton of stuff with that, all the features (loops, conditions, variables, etc.) that exist in other languages. You will hate JS one day too, but right now it’s good to learn, and when you’ll switch to other languages, you’ll be happy you learned something.
So yes, JS sucks, but no, it won’t be useless for your future. Keep on working, programming is really fun.
vox@sopuli.xyz 10 months ago
css can do animations, and it’s much more performant then js. I hate how over-used JavaScript is on “modern” websites.
dukk@programming.dev 10 months ago
Some websites, JavaScript is necessary for doing things without overloading a server. Mostly SPAs/PWAs and such. I’m using Voyager for Lemmy right now, which needs JS, but it gives me a great experience.
But yeah, JS is often overused. Luckily, with new technologies coming out like Astro and HTMX, we should hopefully start seeing less JavaScript on pages that don’t need it.
MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 10 months ago
Still wayting for a native solution to AJAX.
No, not Java beans.
rostby@lemmy.fmhy.net 10 months ago
Sometimes?
dukk@programming.dev 10 months ago
MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 10 months ago
Huh, page displays nothing without js.
MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 10 months ago
Like, not creating annoying animations.
Ddhuud@lemmy.world 10 months ago
original
z3n0x@feddit.de 10 months ago
alert(“nyyeehh”);
unreachable@lemmy.my.id 10 months ago