I want to see a seamless roaming standard so a grandma can buy a random brand’s wifi extender, plug it in, connect it to her ISP router’s wifi and have the same ssid through the house. No needing to jump to NANA-SWIFI-EXT.
Wi-Fi 8 won't be faster, but will be better - more details emerge just hours after Wi-Fi 7 protocols are officially ratified
Submitted 3 weeks ago by Domino@quokk.au to technology@lemmy.world
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yaroto98@lemmy.org 3 weeks ago
lemming741@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You forgot about NANA-SWIFI-EXT-5G and NANA-SWIFI-EXT-6G
yaroto98@lemmy.org 3 weeks ago
Ugh, how could I forget?
setsubyou@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
EasyMesh exists. But not many companies implement it.
KillerWhale@orcas.enjoying.yachts 3 weeks ago
Do it’s not a seamless standard
Luffy879@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
I just don’t understand why you would want even faster WiFi
Speed is not the only variable here, stability is too, and over the years, if anything, WiFi has become more unstable if anything, going from „I get internet outside my house” to „don’t lean too much towards the wall in my bed, otherwise the 0,50 Mbit is gonna become even less”.
If you are willing to pay the extra for a compatible router + client, you might as well pay the 20€ for a land cable which is way more stable
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Yeah your wifi sucks dude. Or your area.
It’s pretty much impossible to get decent wifi in a dense urban area where there’s competing signal.
The channel has to be clear before any station can talk. So if there’s another ssid or another router on the same channel, you’re waiting for it.
More devices on the wireless (including your neighbors wireless, if you’re on the same channel) means more waiting. More waiting means slower speed.
Add to this that most AX+ gear is defaulting to 80MHz channels and avoid UNII-2 bands (for good reason), bringing us back to 3 usable, non-overlapping channels on 5GHz.
Add to that, that a lot of consumer gear defaults to a static channel. Or says “auto” but really just sticks to one channel. Xfinity routers are notorious for this.
Also, no broadcast/multicasr suppression and enabling legacy rates, also default behavior on a lot of consumer routers and sometimes even unchangeable. Legacy rates (support for circa-2000 802.11b) define the minimum speed that is allowed (usually 1Mbps), and that speed is used for all broadcast and multicast. And these get said by the device and then repeated by the router.
Now we also have smart speakers (like Sonos and Google) that use multicast to make multi-speaker groups. That destroys the wifi. Worse, if your neighbor is playing music and you’re on the same channel. It’ll destroy your wifi.
Printers and their drivers like to spam multicast too. Even if they’re wired, because its still the same network.
Old unused port forwards too. Your router will keep looking on the wire and wireless networks for the destination, using ARPs (which are broadcast traffic). If the IP is offline, it can spam the network looking for it.
If you want good wifi, find a clean channel and thoroughly understand www.wiisfi.com. It is by far the best deep dive on wireless and many of its flaws.
What it doesn’t talk about is shit mesh systems. You want a decent mesh it must be tri-band with a dedicated backhaul. Even that is gonna slow down if you’ve got multiple hops between device and gateway. Much better to wire in all the endpoints.
But if you’ve got a clear channel and good, well-configured hardware, and good placement…you can get good speeds on wireless.
But you really should still use a wire (or something like MoCA or Powerline if that’s not an option) for anything more than light browsing and streaming services (not realtime!). Wireless is prone to latency and jitter and some applications (voice/video, work VPNs, gaming) are far more sensitive to that than others.
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
I hate the local ISP who hands out “free range extenders” as a promo. They all broadcast at 100% and use 80mhz channels. I pick up something like 150 networks in my house, which is just ridiculous.
Then add in the garbage chip in my laptop… ugh. Channel sharing can’t come too soon.
seralth@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
[deleted]AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’ve never been a router in my life!
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
It’s often not a matter of speed but of reliability.
Simple fact is, there are very few occasions where you truly need more than 10Mbps or so, which can handle 1080p, or 25 for 4k.
High speeds are great for the infrequent download, but for most day-to-day internet tasks…it’s largely unnoticed.
The real killer of wifi is latency, jitter, and loss. And these will present themselves as slowdowns when browsing or low-quality video when streaming…but on a sensitive application (gaming, real-time voice/video, many enterprise/corporate VPNs, especially under heavy use). And there’s tons of factors that go into causing these conditions on wireless that are simply not a concern on wired.
Auli@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Hmm opposite for me. Wifi has gotten better and more stable.
SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 3 weeks ago
Same. Wi-Fi used to barely work a few meters away from the AP with direct line of sight.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 3 weeks ago
Speed is not the only variable here, stability is too, and over the years, if anything, WiFi has become more unstable if anything, going from „I get internet outside my house” to „don’t lean too much towards the wall in my bed, otherwise the 0,50 Mbit is gonna become even less”.
Really? My phone easily connects to my WiFi everyone in my apartment, from couple floors below it and through the ceiling. I have the router in a wall box. For me with WiFi 6 it just got faster, I didn’t notice any stability issues.
Sxan@piefed.zip 3 weeks ago
Yes!
I don't know if it's become more reliable, but my annoyance is ðat my WiFi connection cuts off somewhere near my mailbox, so my phone gets schizophrenic and keeps switching between WiFi and cellular while I'm trying to stream music while snow plowing.
Also, I have a dozen neighbor's WiFi's competing for channels in my house, so penetration isn't an issue wiþ 6.
killea@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
As long as I can use as an radar/lidar that can see through walls, as promised.
9point6@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Why do you want people to see through your walls?
paraphrand@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
“If you’re not doing anything wrong, you shouldn’t fear the wifi penetration.”
Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Lol no. I don’t want anyone else to do bad things, just me.
Problem solved, check mate
exu@feditown.com 3 weeks ago
Get that data into Homeassistant for presence detection
MITM0@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Yeah but can we get OoenSource RISCV-based Wifi-Chips now ?
adespoton@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
I’m sorry… what?
Is that just word salad? I’m not seeing “AI” as being anything but an excuse there. On the cloud side, AI involves server farms with physical interconnects. Same for endpoint AI, and edge server AI.
Are they saying that accessing these systems depends on fast, reliable access? Like, faster and more reliable than using Google from your web browser over the past 20 years?
The whole point of ML systems is that all the heavy compute and speed dependent stuff happens somewhere with dedicated bandwidth to handle it, and the interface can be slower and lossier because the service can take more steps without guidance.
ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
As a software developer, when I read that sentence, I head “We want WiFi 8 to continue to improve the standard and be faster, but that’s not a very sexy sales pitch, so we’re gonna pitch it as if AI is the only reason we’re developing better infrastructure.”
jj4211@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Same thing happened with 5G, claiming that categorically new stuff would be possible with 5G that just couldn’t be done at all with LTE. IoT and VR were buzzwords thrown around as simply demanding 5G and utterly impossible without it.
Then 5G came and it was welcome, but much more mundane. IoT applications are generally so light that even today such devices only bother to ship with LTE hardware. VR didn’t catch on that hard, but to the extent it has, 5G doesn’t matter, no cellular modems and Internet speed is too slow to support anything directly even with 5G.
Same is happening in pretty much every technology with AI right now, claiming that AI absolutely requires whatever the hell it is they want to push. Trying to lean hard on AI FOMO to push their tech.
etchinghillside@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
AI is currently a clustered mess of retry back off loops. The connectivity ain’t the issue.
CosmoNova@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I‘m convinced it’s an excuse. They‘re stuffing everything with „AI“ right now to justify the erratic spending spree while scrambling to find actual use cases that actually transform entire industries so they can keep bullying us out of our vages and jobs.
cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Yeah word salad especially if there is progress to have local model running on your device rather than the privacy nightmare of the cloud based solutions.