Ugh, this shit again…
Are there any initiatives out there to call a stop to this? Or even better, initiatives to introduce legislation that forbids setting up this kind of surveillance infrastructure altogether?
The EU still wants to scan all your chats – and the rules could come into force by October 2025
Submitted 3 weeks ago by QuantumSpecter@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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Mavytan@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
Noja@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
katkit@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Patrick Breyer with the pirate party is my go to example of why small parties and extraparliamentary opposition is important. 99% of the people don’t even know him and he’s just doing such an sucessful job of protecting them anyway.
PiratPartiet@feddit.nu 3 weeks ago
Thank you for helping us stop chat control! We from the Swedish Pirate Party are strongly against this!
angelmountain@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
Your local Pirate Party and organizations like Bits of Freedom can help out.
CosmoNova@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The annoying thing is that some states like Germany pretty much prohibit surveillance of this extend by constitution. It couldn‘t be made any harder for a legislation like this to pass and yet they keep trying.
PiratPartiet@feddit.nu 3 weeks ago
Well we in the Swedish Pirate Party are strongly against this! We have been fighting since the beginning against Chat Control! Feel free to DM me and I can even try to find a Pirateparty near you or atleast a party who are aligned similarly!
join@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Maybe it’s time to restart some some old Greek traditions and propose a law that anyone proposing chat control - from here on out - gets banished for life from entering European soil ever again.
Dojan@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
I am in favour of this proposal.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
They were smart, those oiled fish-eating goatfuckers. So maybe yes, that - and also sortition and ostracism.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
oiled-fish
Sun-rotten fish-guts, called Garum.
Nalivai@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s not the EU yet. It’s a group of activists from Denmark. There wasn’t even preliminary voting on it yet.
Doesn’t mean we need to be complacent of course, but so far nothing happened.ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
What activists? I need their names, for personal research reasons.
Nalivai@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I don’t know who reintroduced it, but here the original one eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=COM%3…
cley_faye@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
but so far nothing happened
Things happens frighteningly fast these days. It’s not a matter of being complacent; it’s a matter of budding things in the nip. Which won’t work. Then tirelessly fight back against it.
Unless you’ve been sleeping under a rock these last few… weeks. Not even months. Some legislation can go from 0 to 100 extremely quickly if left unchecked.
Trihilis@ani.social 2 weeks ago
How the fuck can you be pro censorship/pro big brothet? What kind of idiot do you have to be? Do they just get bags of money to spout out this bullshit?
Does having a lot of money exempt you from this shit? I don’t get it. I can understand detestable people being pro things that make the poor poor and the rich rich. But this affect everyone both poor and rich. The only one benefiting from this are fascist dictators.
KumaSudosa@feddit.dk 2 weeks ago
It’s not “Danish activists” but rather the government. As a Dane I know how horny these people are to create a fullblown police/nanny state. SVM (the name for the government) is terrible for all of us. Can’t wait to see their voter share drastically diminish at the next election, but clearly they can do a lot of harm first…
Mihies@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
STASI enters the chat.
RedPandaRaider@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Hey at least Stasi only spied on people they suspected.
pastermil@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
That’s due to the limitation at the time.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Their kind never leaves the chat, it’s a professional habit
krigo666@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
They won’t.
Zak@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
If you’re a citizen of an EU country, you should contact your politicians to tell them not to, maybe they won’t.
It only has to pass once, and they keep trying.
themurphy@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Some keep trying. That’s how democracy and politics works in general.
MysteriousSophon21@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Contacting politicians directly is good, but joining orgs like the Electronic Frontier Foundation or Privacy International multiplies your impact since they have lawyers and can actualy challenge these laws in court.
Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
With SKG going as well as it is, wouldn’t an ECI on chat control be in order?
UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Thank god my OS doesn’t care about EU regulation
sefra1@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Your OS doesn’t, put the messaging apps that your friends/family/coworkers use do.
And no, you can’t convince them to switch messager, I tried.
cosmo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I, at least, managed to get most of my family to switch. I told them it was the only way they’d get pictures and updates of my son. The one small victory I’m satisfied with.
UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Currently, I, my entire Family and everyone I know use Signal. And everyone that doesn’t want to can contact me via Matrix or XMPP, which literally no one ever does, even thought I know a lot of IT and CS people, but I keep them as options just to offer them to people.
I mean, there is also phone, SMS and email of course, but people seem to prefer a new messenger over actually contacting me in any of these ways. And then I’m always like “look, you can choose one of countless ways to contact me, if you like none of them, that’s a you-problem”.
derpgon@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
You don’t have to say everything on those apps, tho, just do basic stuff and for longer convos request an encrypted chat app.
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 3 weeks ago
And no, you can’t convince them to switch messager, I tried.
Have you used the gambling addiction and honeypot comparisons?
Or opium smoking in China one?
If somebody makes a functioning NOSTR client similar to Telegram in experience - maybe that will be convenient enough.
cley_faye@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
As long as owning a device that allow full E2E encryption without spyware isn’t illegal.
It bears repeating a lot of time : the technology to circumvent these things exist, and will continue to exist. However, there’s nothing preventing obtuse lawmakers from making it illegal to own. And then, it’s just a matter of catching someone and finding some rooted android phone in his pocket.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
And what do you think that means the moment your OS connects to, oh I don’t know, the rest of the fucking planet?
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Is the EU not subject to GDPR?
REDACTED@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
Rules are for the people, not governments
cley_faye@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The EU decides what’s GDPR. And it seems recently it decided to not be buggered by those old ideas that are privacy, freedom, etc.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Welcome to earth, Everybody Sucks Here.
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 3 weeks ago
So, need a non-homocidal, non-EU country to run an XMPP server then…
PleaseLetMeOut@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
So Canada?
(They do have a history of going a little overboard with the homicidal stuff. But they’ve come a long way in the last few decades.)
buffing_lecturer@leminal.space 3 weeks ago
A lot overboard, really. There is a long way to go for truth and reconciliation.
As for data safety, its not looking too great: tuta.com/blog/canada-bill-c2-surveillance
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 3 weeks ago
I’d almost say lol, get a VPS in China.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and they have zero say over what I do, only what they do. China could demand and scream and bitch all they want over an encrypted set of programs and you’d never have to care, move to another domain and provider and copy-paste. Lock it down, only use it with encryption and let the wolves huff and puff until they’re blue in the face.
mybuttnolie@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
or run one by yourself?
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 3 weeks ago
…run a country by myself? I suppose its possible.
lena@gregtech.eu 3 weeks ago
Or matrix, which I prefer. XMPP has a myriad of issues, and matrix is more modern with a better ecosystem of clients and servers.
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 3 weeks ago
Too heavy and bloated, and too centralized in its design philosophy, not to mention big capital flowing through Matrix from Israel and the issues with metadata making it a privacy disaster.
Here’s a blog that agrees with me so I don’t seem lazy: lukesmith.xyz/articles/matrix-vs-xmpp/
I get your blogger’s concern over OMEMO versions being out of whack and their encryption choices being all over the place, but other than it being somewhat of a mess, I don’t see how it devalues the service as much as he thinks. (a bit melodramatic imo)
Lemminary@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The fuck is happening over there? Was there lead in the water?
Dojan@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
Authoritarianism, duh. It’s a global thing.
Lemminary@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You’re answering the how, but I’m asking for the why. 😅
goatinspace@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Probably
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s not lead, it’s Russians
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 3 weeks ago
Age verification & chat monitoring: stay golden, EU.
hiramfromthechi@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m starting to edit idcaboutprivacy more and more often (and that’s not a good thing)
dynamoMaus@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
I like the comapirson i heared at Anne Roths talk(German):
You would never say: I don’t need free speech because I have nothing to say. Everyone profits from data privacy and free speech and some people are depending on their life on it.
belit_deg@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Dude, I decided to make a personal note with lots of similar links regarding privacy, so that I can provide the source when I discuss these matters with people. But yours in much more thorough - and public. Thanks for saving me a ton of work!
hiramfromthechi@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s dope, glad it could help 🤟
badbytes@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Encryption. Is easy.
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
you know this means they get the keys, right?
badbytes@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Nah, just hold your secret key in secret. It’s just basic math.
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Wtf. Is Signal going to be affected? I just recently installed Signal on my phone.
oppy1984@lemdro.id 3 weeks ago
Signal has already stated that they will pull out of the UK if they go through with their version of this, I imagine they’ll say the same for the EU.
Get a good VPN, exit it from a non-5 eyes country, and hope they don’t start blocking by phone number alone… and hopefully they’ll drop the phone number requirement sooner than later.
Also, welcome to Signal!
camr_on@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I think they already dropped the phone number req, not sure though
capuccino@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
time to make my own shitty ass software to deal with this stuff
alvyn@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
The never stop trying. Fucking incompetent dumm politicians.
sircac@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is not the Europe I remember…
SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 2 weeks ago
Buy EU, am I right?
Geezus…
332@feddit.nu 3 weeks ago
Absolutely unacceptable and ridiculous.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Keep them informed, of course they care about your opinion, especially seeing how anyplace else in the world where such things were introduced there were successful revolutions and people doing that ended up in jail. Oops.
Keyboard@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Agree
PiratPartiet@feddit.nu 3 weeks ago
We couldn’t have said it better!