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The EU still wants to scan all your chats – and the rules could come into force by October 2025

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Submitted ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨QuantumSpecter@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://www.techradar.com/computing/cyber-security/the-eu-could-be-scanning-your-chats-by-october-2025-heres-everything-we-know

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  • 332@feddit.nu ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Absolutely unacceptable and ridiculous.

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    • rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Keep them informed, of course they care about your opinion, especially seeing how anyplace else in the world where such things were introduced there were successful revolutions and people doing that ended up in jail. Oops.

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    • Keyboard@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Agree

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    • PiratPartiet@feddit.nu ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      We couldn’t have said it better!

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  • Nalivai@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It’s not the EU yet. It’s a group of activists from Denmark. There wasn’t even preliminary voting on it yet.
    Doesn’t mean we need to be complacent of course, but so far nothing happened.

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    • cley_faye@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      but so far nothing happened

      Things happens frighteningly fast these days. It’s not a matter of being complacent; it’s a matter of budding things in the nip. Which won’t work. Then tirelessly fight back against it.

      Unless you’ve been sleeping under a rock these last few… weeks. Not even months. Some legislation can go from 0 to 100 extremely quickly if left unchecked.

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    • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      What activists? I need their names, for personal research reasons.

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      • Nalivai@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        I don’t know who reintroduced it, but here the original one eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=COM%3…

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    • Trihilis@ani.social ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      How the fuck can you be pro censorship/pro big brothet? What kind of idiot do you have to be? Do they just get bags of money to spout out this bullshit?

      Does having a lot of money exempt you from this shit? I don’t get it. I can understand detestable people being pro things that make the poor poor and the rich rich. But this affect everyone both poor and rich. The only one benefiting from this are fascist dictators.

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      • KumaSudosa@feddit.dk ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        It’s not “Danish activists” but rather the government. As a Dane I know how horny these people are to create a fullblown police/nanny state. SVM (the name for the government) is terrible for all of us. Can’t wait to see their voter share drastically diminish at the next election, but clearly they can do a lot of harm first…

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  • join@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Maybe it’s time to restart some some old Greek traditions and propose a law that anyone proposing chat control - from here on out - gets banished for life from entering European soil ever again.

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    • Dojan@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I am in favour of this proposal.

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    • rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      They were smart, those oiled fish-eating goatfuckers. So maybe yes, that - and also sortition and ostracism.

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      • MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        oiled-fish

        Sun-rotten fish-guts, called Garum.

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  • Mavytan@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Ugh, this shit again…

    Are there any initiatives out there to call a stop to this? Or even better, initiatives to introduce legislation that forbids setting up this kind of surveillance infrastructure altogether?

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    • Noja@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      🇩🇪GER: www.patrick-breyer.de/beitraege/chatkontrolle/ 🇫🇷 FRA: iloth.net/…/traduction-du-dossier-chat-control-2-… 🇸🇪 SWE: chatcontrol.se 🇳🇱 NED: chatcontrole.nl/docs/chat-control-2-0/

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      • katkit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Patrick Breyer with the pirate party is my go to example of why small parties and extraparliamentary opposition is important. 99% of the people don’t even know him and he’s just doing such an sucessful job of protecting them anyway.

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      • PiratPartiet@feddit.nu ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Thank you for helping us stop chat control! We from the Swedish Pirate Party are strongly against this!

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    • angelmountain@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Your local Pirate Party and organizations like Bits of Freedom can help out.

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    • CosmoNova@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      The annoying thing is that some states like Germany pretty much prohibit surveillance of this extend by constitution. It couldn‘t be made any harder for a legislation like this to pass and yet they keep trying.

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    • PiratPartiet@feddit.nu ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Well we in the Swedish Pirate Party are strongly against this! We have been fighting since the beginning against Chat Control! Feel free to DM me and I can even try to find a Pirateparty near you or atleast a party who are aligned similarly!

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  • sircac@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This is not the Europe I remember…

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    • vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I know right? Need more style to this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsFnLuqHa20

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  • acosmichippo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Is the EU not subject to GDPR?

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    • REDACTED@infosec.pub ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Rules are for the people, not governments

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    • cley_faye@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The EU decides what’s GDPR. And it seems recently it decided to not be buggered by those old ideas that are privacy, freedom, etc.

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  • Mihies@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    STASI enters the chat.

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    • RedPandaRaider@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Hey at least Stasi only spied on people they suspected.

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      • pastermil@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        That’s due to the limitation at the time.

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    • rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Their kind never leaves the chat, it’s a professional habit

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  • UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Thank god my OS doesn’t care about EU regulation

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    • cley_faye@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      As long as owning a device that allow full E2E encryption without spyware isn’t illegal.

      It bears repeating a lot of time : the technology to circumvent these things exist, and will continue to exist. However, there’s nothing preventing obtuse lawmakers from making it illegal to own. And then, it’s just a matter of catching someone and finding some rooted android phone in his pocket.

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    • sefra1@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Your OS doesn’t, put the messaging apps that your friends/family/coworkers use do.

      And no, you can’t convince them to switch messager, I tried.

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      • UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Currently, I, my entire Family and everyone I know use Signal. And everyone that doesn’t want to can contact me via Matrix or XMPP, which literally no one ever does, even thought I know a lot of IT and CS people, but I keep them as options just to offer them to people.

        I mean, there is also phone, SMS and email of course, but people seem to prefer a new messenger over actually contacting me in any of these ways. And then I’m always like “look, you can choose one of countless ways to contact me, if you like none of them, that’s a you-problem”.

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      • cosmo@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I, at least, managed to get most of my family to switch. I told them it was the only way they’d get pictures and updates of my son. The one small victory I’m satisfied with.

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      • derpgon@programming.dev ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        You don’t have to say everything on those apps, tho, just do basic stuff and for longer convos request an encrypted chat app.

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      • vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        And no, you can’t convince them to switch messager, I tried.

        Have you used the gambling addiction and honeypot comparisons?

        Or opium smoking in China one?

        If somebody makes a functioning NOSTR client similar to Telegram in experience - maybe that will be convenient enough.

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    • HugeNerd@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      And what do you think that means the moment your OS connects to, oh I don’t know, the rest of the fucking planet?

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  • hiramfromthechi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I’m starting to edit idcaboutprivacy more and more often (and that’s not a good thing)

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    • dynamoMaus@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I like the comapirson i heared at Anne Roths talk(German):

      You would never say: I don’t need free speech because I have nothing to say. Everyone profits from data privacy and free speech and some people are depending on their life on it.

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    • belit_deg@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Dude, I decided to make a personal note with lots of similar links regarding privacy, so that I can provide the source when I discuss these matters with people. But yours in much more thorough - and public. Thanks for saving me a ton of work!

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  • SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Buy EU, am I right?

    Geezus…

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  • krigo666@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    They won’t.

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    • Zak@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      If you’re a citizen of an EU country, you should contact your politicians to tell them not to, maybe they won’t.

      It only has to pass once, and they keep trying.

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      • themurphy@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Some keep trying. That’s how democracy and politics works in general.

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      • MysteriousSophon21@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Contacting politicians directly is good, but joining orgs like the Electronic Frontier Foundation or Privacy International multiplies your impact since they have lawyers and can actualy challenge these laws in court.

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    • Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      With SKG going as well as it is, wouldn’t an ECI on chat control be in order?

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  • Lemminary@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The fuck is happening over there? Was there lead in the water?

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    • Dojan@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Authoritarianism, duh. It’s a global thing.

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      • Lemminary@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        You’re answering the how, but I’m asking for the why. 😅

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    • ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It’s not lead, it’s Russians

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    • goatinspace@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Probably

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  • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Welcome to earth, Everybody Sucks Here.

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  • Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    So, need a non-homocidal, non-EU country to run an XMPP server then…

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    • PleaseLetMeOut@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      So Canada?

      (They do have a history of going a little overboard with the homicidal stuff. But they’ve come a long way in the last few decades.)

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      • buffing_lecturer@leminal.space ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        A lot overboard, really. There is a long way to go for truth and reconciliation.

        As for data safety, its not looking too great: tuta.com/blog/canada-bill-c2-surveillance

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      • Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I’d almost say lol, get a VPS in China.

        The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and they have zero say over what I do, only what they do. China could demand and scream and bitch all they want over an encrypted set of programs and you’d never have to care, move to another domain and provider and copy-paste. Lock it down, only use it with encryption and let the wolves huff and puff until they’re blue in the face.

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    • lena@gregtech.eu ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Or matrix, which I prefer. XMPP has a myriad of issues, and matrix is more modern with a better ecosystem of clients and servers.

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      • Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Too heavy and bloated, and too centralized in its design philosophy, not to mention big capital flowing through Matrix from Israel and the issues with metadata making it a privacy disaster.

        Here’s a blog that agrees with me so I don’t seem lazy: lukesmith.xyz/articles/matrix-vs-xmpp/

        I get your blogger’s concern over OMEMO versions being out of whack and their encryption choices being all over the place, but other than it being somewhat of a mess, I don’t see how it devalues the service as much as he thinks. (a bit melodramatic imo)

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    • mybuttnolie@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      or run one by yourself?

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      • Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        …run a country by myself? I suppose its possible.

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  • badbytes@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Encryption. Is easy.

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    • dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      you know this means they get the keys, right?

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      • badbytes@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Nah, just hold your secret key in secret. It’s just basic math.

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  • lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Age verification & chat monitoring: stay golden, EU.

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  • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Wtf. Is Signal going to be affected? I just recently installed Signal on my phone.

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  • capuccino@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    time to make my own shitty ass software to deal with this stuff

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  • alvyn@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The never stop trying. Fucking incompetent dumm politicians.

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