Pride rainbows taken off police cars after court ruling

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• ohulancutash@feddit.uk ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m not sure it was the wisest idea to put the rainbows on the vehicles in the first place. Is someone panicking, with visual or cognitive impairment, at night, going to instantly recognise it?

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  • YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    A sticker isn’t going to hide a full on cup car. Like imagine you’re in an emergency, you see a black and white car that has all the markings of a cop car, but it has a rainbow sticker, are you going to ignore it because of a 2x3 sticker?

    Your point is stupid and invalid.

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    • ohulancutash@feddit.uk ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Well, seeing as police vehicles aren’t black and white……

      And if you took a look at the picture, it replaces the battenberg on the back half of the van, with a logo that highlights the letters BT, so it looks a bit like a telecoms van.

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  • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’ve seen loads of police vans like this. It’s only part of the van and they’re just as recognisable as before IMO.

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• SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  From the article:

  The move comes after Linzi Smith, 34, a gender-critical lesbian from Newcastle, brought a case against Northumbria Constabulary, arguing that it had been wrong to allow uniformed officers to actively participate in an event that promoted gender ideology and was supported by transgender activists.

  From the BBC:

  People who filled out the 2021 census in England and Wales were asked: “Is the gender you identify with the same as your sex registered at birth?” According to the ONS, 262,000 people - around 0.5% of the population - answered “no”.

  The ONS states that there are 60,238,000 total people in England and Wales.

  Gender critical people, almost always cis women, can go to hell. They go out of their way to try (and lately succeed) to suppress any support for trans people and to exclude trans women from any space that is oriented for women. They fear monger, calling us perverts and degenerates that want to prey on poor, defenseless, innocent women.

  Anyone who advocates for the disenfranchisement of trans people is an objectively shit person. We just want to live our lives and not be singled out for discrimination.

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  • rah@hilariouschaos.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    poor, defenseless, innocent women

    Not doing yourself any favours with this kind of sarcastic comment.

    Anyone who advocates for the disenfranchisement of trans people

    I’ve never seen anybody argue that trans people should be denied the right to vote. Including in this article.

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  • catty@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    According to the ONS, 262,000 people - around 0.5% of the population - answered “no”

    Schizophrenia is a major illness. At any one time about 220,000 people are being treated for schizophrenia in the UK by the NHS - 3. National Institute for Health and Care Excellence, 2014, Costing statement: Psychosis and schizophrenia in adults: treatment and management.

    Distorting and twisting facts to suit an argument is fun.

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  • SpaceShort@feddit.uk ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There are actually more transphobic men than women but the “movement” fronts cis women so they can pull the “muh oppressed” line.

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• IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  the only gay stuff that belongs in police are bricks

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• blueamigafan@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s honestly getting depressing here in the UK the vast majority of people are good honest open minded people, but for some reason single bigoted people keep being allowed to make the place worse in the name of ‘free speech’ the results going to be the police staying away to be impartial and a bunch of reform voting trogladites causing trouble in the name of free speech.

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• TheBat@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  UK turning into Airstrip One at record speed.

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• RedSnt@feddit.dk ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Never mind the comments here on Lemmy, but you really need a hazmat suit to enter the comments on that article. Over 1400 of them, each somehow a different type of phobic.

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  • flamingos@feddit.uk ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is the Torygraph, don’t read the comments unless you want to do psyc damage to yourself.

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• godlessworm@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  nothing pride related should be near anything pig related. pigs are not and have never been friends to lgbtq people. they’re literally the arm the state uses to brutalize them for asking for equal rights.

  while its a brutal reality why they’re removing their fake support of pride from their vehicles, its the same reality as before except now they’re not pretending to care. this is better because it doesnt give the naive an illusion or boot lickers an argument

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  • Zombie@feddit.uk ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    In the past, yes, certainly. And I’m of the view ACAB. However, the Equality Act passed years ago, LGBTQ people are legally not to be discriminated against. The police showing support is therefore a good thing. It solidifies their commitment to uphold this law and treat LGBTQ people as equals in a country that still has a discrimination problem amongst the populace. It reminds both bigots and police officers which side police forces are now on and that there will be consequences for acts of discrimination.

    To push them away will not help the cause.

    These rights took decades, many people fighting tirelessly, and sadly many deaths and injuries to achieve. Why would you want to throw all that away? Just because you dislike cops? They’re finally on the right side with this. Yes, they’re twats for a myriad of reasons, but in this regard they’re in the right. This is very important support to have, because there are people in society who are doing what they can to overturn this progress. The cops being on side helps prevent that.

    Also, remember, that just because something is illegal doesn’t mean that law will be enforced. Police forces have previously chosen to decriminalise things like personal amounts of cannabis by just refusing to bother enforcing it. It’s still illegal but if no cop arrests you, is it really? They could do the same with regard to the Equality Act if they choose, decriminalising discrimination again. It’s harder for them to justify doing that if their vans are covered in Pride livery. It’s harder for individual officers to tolerate discrimination if they have a personal positive view of LGBTQ people.

    This isn’t America, Peelian principles are still at least vaguely adhered to. Community policing is still a thing here.

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  • Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Unless the pride related thing is people throwing bricks.

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• TotallyNotSpezUpload@startrek.website ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  As always, fuck you, UK

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  • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Instantly jumping to xenophobia over one seemingly bigoted judge seems a bit far. I doubt bigotry is unheard of wherever you’re from.

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    • renamon_silver@lemmy.wtf ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Has the UK tried not treating trans people like shit?

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    • TotallyNotSpezUpload@startrek.website ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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    • Quill7513@slrpnk.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      this is not what xenophobia is. thread starter is out of pocket, but the problem isn’t xenophobia. xenophobia would be if the thread starter said “every brit is a terf.” the thread starter did appropriately lay the blame at the feet of the imperial state, the UK. i take issue with “always” if you are approaching a situation with the attitude of something is always, you are giving up on the possibility of fixing it.

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  • mannycalavera@feddit.uk ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Here’s the article again.

    telegraph.co.uk/…/pride-rainbows-removed-police-c…

    Northumbria was taken to court by a gender-critical lesbian who said it was wrong for officers to take part in events that promoted gender ideology

    Maybe try reading? Just a thought…

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    • apotheotic@beehaw.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m not sure what point you feel you’ve made?

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    • SpaceShort@feddit.uk ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The real gender ideology are traditional gender roles and the notion that gender is determined by sex.

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    • BryceBassitt@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Nah, still fuck the U.K.

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• TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  A police force has agreed to remove all Pride rainbows and transgender livery from its vehicles following a landmark High Court ruling.

  Northumbria Police has also told its officers and staff they cannot attend a Gay Pride march in uniform this weekend, in a move that could set a precedent for other forces.

  Northumbria was taken to court by a gender-critical lesbian who said it was wrong for officers to take part in events that promoted gender ideology.

  The move comes after Linzi Smith, 34, a gender-critical lesbian from Newcastle, brought a case against Northumbria Constabulary, arguing that it had been wrong to allow uniformed officers to actively participate in an event that promoted gender ideology and was supported by transgender activists.

  In his ruling, the judge, Mr Justice Linden, said it was important that police forces were not perceived as taking sides in contentious social debates.

  Ffs. Police officers want to support a gay pride event, and a Lesbian woman became so offended by that she raised a court case against them. One that I cannot believe was upheld.

  Why are TERFs so emboldened here?

  Imagine telling someone this a few decades ago:

  “Yeah the police want to support a LGBT pride event and…”

  “Wait they what? They want to support it?”

  “Yeah, anyway the court ruled against it.”

  “Lobbying from an anti-LGBT wing of the clergy, I suppose?”

  “Nah, a small group of lesbians.”

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  • catty@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s a Pride event. The “sides” are the LGBT community and those that hate them.

    It’s so cute that young people have been conditioned to think this. Pride is about capitalism. Nothing more.

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    • Black616Angel@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What are you babbling about?

      Pride is about capitalism. Nothing more.

      WAH! I’m LGBT, you have to do as I say else you’re discriminating against me and that’s like, illegal and stuff, and I’ll use the police as my personal army against you to get revenge.

      Is everything okay at home?

      There’s the projection. This has nothing to do with trans people. Twisting unrelated actions to be another thing is typical of schizophrenia and/or psychosis.

      Slice of life from inside the glass house apparently. Put the stone down please.

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  • rah@hilariouschaos.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The “sides” are the LGBT community and those that hate them.

    This is wrong. The person who took Northumbria Police to court was a lesbian and hence a member of the LGBT community. It doesn’t make sense for the “sides” to include the LGBT community.

    You’re conflating the gender supporting (as oppose to gender critical) community and the LGBT community.

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    • catty@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I don’t understand why this is downvoted so much. This is the correct response.

      It’s something that my psychiatrist wouldn’t say to my face, therefore it should be downvoted.

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    • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You’ll never guess what the ‘T’ in LGBT stands for…

      This person is absolutely standing against the LGBT community. She is actively seeking to drive a wedge between LGBT communities and the police, making the entire community less safe in the process, as well as trying to divide people in regards to LGBT issues.

      She will happily cut off her nose to spite her face, if it means harming trans people.

      And being part of a community doesn’t make you immune from being against the community. There’s plenty of anti-immigration immigrants, there’s homophobic/transphobic/biphobic people in the LGBT community, there were people from colonies who saw their own colonies as barbaric and welcomed white masters, there were Jews in Germany who hated Jews and happily supported Nazis, there are working class people who are disdainful of working class culture.

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• kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    A very US-brained comment.

    I’ve attended multiple pride events/marches and I’ve been very glad of police presence. Every year there’s at least one bigot who tries to start a fight with someone on a march, and the police quickly put an end to it.

    Even aside from that, it is extremely stupid to want to drive a wedge between police and LGBT people. That will just make people less likely to seek help from police if they’ve been the victim of something, and further emboldens bigots in attacking LGBT people.

    We are not the USA. Our police forces are not US police forces.

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    • OrganicMustard@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Left leaning police is an oxymoron

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