Two men behind ‘senseless’ felling of Sycamore Gap tree jailed for more than four years

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• TimewornTraveler@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  corpos rape the planet: giggling sunflower

  two dudes kill a tree: angry sunflower

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• ThePyroPython@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Cool, now do the same for Water Company executives that shit all over our nature as well.

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  • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    nope. only for charismatic megaflora/fauna

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    • StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      nope. only for charismatic megaflora/fauna the poors.

      FTFY

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• rayquetzalcoatl@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Very, very, very harsh. Too harsh.

  Would love to see just a single one of the besuited cunts who are polluting our rivers and air get this kind of treatment by their mates in the courts. Never gonna happen tho - this has been a rich man’s world for centuries.

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  • Tangentism@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Nope. They’re a pair of cunts that deserve longer and it’s not a zero sum game. We can, and should, have be jailing both

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  • TheKingBee@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    i disagree with this being too harsh, but do agree with the second point about wishing to see this type of punishment extended to the industrial villains, who will never see it, deserving this type of punishment.

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    • wewbull@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      We’re in the middle of a prison crisis. We don’t have room for people who chopped down a tree, even if it was a really pretty one.

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    • rayquetzalcoatl@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      That’s fair. I understand the frustration and anger at these two and what they did - it was senseless and I was definitely a bit heartbroken to read about the felling at first - but four years is so long and they’re going to come out worse for it, in my opinion.

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  • G4Z@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    From what I understand, they really fucked around the court and lied about it which is why the sentence is harsh. If they had just admitted it, they probably would have got a suspended sentence.

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  • Babalugats@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2dlr05rr1lo gov.uk/…/anglian-water-fined-300-000-after-pollut… theguardian.com/…/southern-water-fined-330000-for… watermagazine.co.uk/…/anglian-water-fined-over-ha…

    Not one CEO properly held accountable by the law (I could have listed another 30 different cases easily. Just searching polluted river and killed fish fined uk)

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    • rayquetzalcoatl@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      “this kind of treatment” meaning harsh sentences. Fining a company means very little 🤷‍♂️

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• bungalowtill@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  4 years!

  Of course it’s fucked up and whatever, but this feels like a populist sentence. 4 years is an incredible long time. In what way is this adequate for the crime. Like mentioned before, there is incredible damage being done to nature in the name of business, very rarely somebody is getting a little bit of blowback, and these two guys, who really don’t have much potential to destroy anything more are sent away as an example? To whom? The generally misbehaving public?

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  • Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This was deliberate, planned, and done purely to destroy something others enjoyed.

    I’d say it’s about right.

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    • Berstrrs@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Is building a housing estate on a green belt or a park not deliberate, planned, and done purely to destroy something others enjoyed?

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  • NickwithaC@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    In what way is this adequate for the crime

    What is the maximum sentence for damage of public property?

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  • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Cool yeah, let’s have short sentences for destroying cultural landmarks. I’m sure that’ll be fine.

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    • wewbull@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      They shouldn’t be inside at all. We don’t have the prison space to spend on things like this. It should be dealt with in the community.

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• Horse@lemmygrad.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  these men aren’t a danger to the public and aren’t likely to do it again, there is no reason for a prison sentence
  just give them a very long period of community service, maybe tree related

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  • Tangentism@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The sentencing is to slow that wilful destruction of ancient trees and heritage sites will not go unpunished.

    They are a pair of cunts that destroyed a beloved tree and I disagree, if they hadn’t been jailed, they would very likely do something similar again seeing as they revelled in the media attention and took keepsakes.

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    • Horse@lemmygrad.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      i both hate these pricks for killing the tree and am ideologically biased against at least one of them because he’s a petite-bourgeois scumbag and i still believe that they wouldn’t be stupid enough to do something similar again
      having them perform service for the community is both cheaper, improves the community, and takes the sheen off their notoriety if they do indeed still revel in the attention prison as a punishment is backwards medieval thinking, it should be reserved purely for people who are a genuine danger to the public or are extremely likely to repeat their crime

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• MehBlah@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Was there a statement from either of them on why? I know why is really the hardest answer to get from someone but did they just hate the tree. Did their sisters turn down a marriage proposal from them at that site?

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  • Tangentism@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    One claimed he was so drunk he doesn’t remember losing up his range rover, driving to the parking spot then carrying the equipment to the tree, cutting it down with precision not expected of someone blind drunk, carried all the kit back to the car, drive home then had a moment of clarity.

    The other one said he’s such a weak idiot that the other one led him astray

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  • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You should look up some of the messages the court case revealed.

    They took joy in making people miserable. They knew targeting a loved cultural landmark would make people angry and miserable, so that’s what they did.

    Their motivation was purely to hurt.

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  • tinned_tomatoes@feddit.uk ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    No motive other than being sad losers who wanted the fake glory of being the one to chop down a beloved tree.

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• x00z@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  a 150 year sentence for killing a 150 year old tree would be nice

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  • HumanPenguin@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Given a sycamore can like for 500 years although 300 is more common.

    If that the maths we follow. Potential live lost to the tree of 350 years is more reasonable.

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    • Nasan@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Multiply by 2.5 given the celebrity status of the tree.

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• neonred@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Definitely not harsh enough. They should have gotten AT LEAST 12 years each. And even that could never make up the damage they have done. 12 is too mild, 4 entirely laughable.

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  • Berstrrs@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    For what?

    All they done is… Cut a tree.

    Think about it for a sec. Just a tree.

    Tree surgeons do this on a daily basis

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  • bungalowtill@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about

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    • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You obviously don’t. You were advocating for practically zero punishment for it, and find incessant lying in court to be completely fine too.

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  • neonred@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Of course this is nonwithstanding other environmental crimes should be prosecuted, just as hard.

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