The number of people in this post that don't understand the difference between a private company's HR/PR decisions and the actual legal system is shocking.
‘Rick and Morty’ Team Gives Update on Recasting Process Following Justin Roiland’s Dismissal
Submitted 1 year ago by muffinman@lemmy.film to moviesandtv@lemmy.film
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QHC@kbin.social 1 year ago
reverie@lemmy.world 1 year ago
A company can fire you for wearing a blue shirt that a customer didn’t like.
Americans have very, very few rights in the workplace regarding termination
Clocksstriking13@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Honestly the customer doesn’t even have to dislike the shirt. It’s incredible the lack of rights that Americans have in the workplace. Especially when we also have very weak safety nets in place for people who are out of work.
originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 1 year ago
in case anyone else was wondering, the answer to the replacement method is 'soundalikes'
Smoogy@kbin.social 1 year ago
This is why you don’t short yourself on voice actors and make only one do them all. Hinging your entire success off of one and only one person brings and creates it’s own risks.
cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Family guy was notoriously unsuccessful due to this flaw.
Revan343@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
It shouldn’t be a problem, there are some really good Justin Roiland soundalikes, and it’s not like Rick’s voice hasn’t changed over the course of the show anyways
flucksy_bango@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Lmfao Justin Roiland is a garbage voice actor. He can do, like, 3 voices that a lot of people can easily impersonate.
Tetra@kbin.social 1 year ago
Good, I'm glad it's not AI.
Not sure any AI could handle voicing the two main characters of a show (yet), but the ongoing strikes and all do have me worry for the future of the profession.
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 1 year ago
Everyone lamenting Rick & Morty, and I’m over here like “What about Solar Opposites? I must know what’s going on with the wall people!”
tron@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Dan Stevens is taking over the role of Corvo, they put out a short video with the recast last month youtu.be/IyTANvYnbD8
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 1 year ago
Lmao that’s awesome. Quick, painless (well, not for Corvo), and fits the show.
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Jackcooper@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
That was great!
Delphia@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Solar Opposites is better than Rick and Morty.
jellymelon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Absolutely pointless trying to keep the show going at this point. Just make something new, I’ve got enough confidence in Harmon and the rest of the writing team that I feel like they’d be able to create something great regardless of Roiland being a part of it.
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 year ago
It has been pretty clear that Harmon is the creative talent behind the show and Roiland had made himself replaceable. Harmon probably feels he can continue the show, so why not?
Mightymaxx@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s my understanding is that Dan is primary creative engine of the show. Guess we’ll see.
1bluepixel@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I don’t think it’s that simple. Stuff Harmon works alone on can still be great, but it has a tendency to collapse under its own self-awareness. Whereas Roiland alone is just lulrandom and unhinged without Harmon’s storytelling skills pulling it together.
The two together had this amazing mix of self-awareness and chaos energy. Prime example being the Meeseeks episode. Remains to be seen if Harmon can pull it off on his own.
ultimate_question@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Ya anyone who’s seen Roiland’s original Rick and Morty short knows this lol
scottywh@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m still going to watch it and I bet it’s still as funny as ever.
flossdaily@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Weren’t all charges against him dropped?
I’m all for rooting out the predators I’m our society, but what are we doing when we take a franchise away from it’s creator based on accusations that don’t even have enough weight to warrant a trial?
A core tenant of our justice system is “innocent until proven guilty”. Was there even an internal company investigation that justifies punishing him?
QHC@kbin.social 1 year ago
Is it only possible to fire a toxic asshole because he committed crimes?
famousblueben@lemmy.film 1 year ago
This exactly. Just because the charges dismissed against somebody doesn’t mean the internal investigations didn’t make it clear they’d be better off without his influence, and it also doesn’t mean the person is innocent of being deeply toxic and likely to run into issues again, it just means a prosecutor wasn’t willing to risk anything other than a clear win as so often happens with these types of cases.
flossdaily@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Of course not… But what evidence do we have that he was a toxic asshole?
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
fire a toxic asshole
Dr House?
Hunter2@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Weren’t all charges against him dropped?
Yes, but there was also a ton of leaked texts of him speaking inappropriately with underage girls and it also surfaced past instances of him defending pedophilia on podcasts.
Davel23@kbin.social 1 year ago
core tenant
"Tenet".
bane_killgrind@kbin.social 1 year ago
Savage
Spacebar@lemmy.world [bot] 1 year ago
Could it have been an excuse to oust him?
Sethayy@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Insane how people still think the American judicial system is still functioning for more than just those with money
JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 year ago
Just watched Season 6 on Hulu. Rick and Morty is still great.
Then again, I have a fairly high IQ so I understand the jokes. /s (God I hope the explicit sarcasm tag isn’t needed.)
DrummyB@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah…
R&M is never going to be the same.
It’s not just his voice, it’s his humour, his timing, his ability to improvise, he basically IS the entire show.
Trying to make a copy of a show like this is completely pointless.
Best to move on and create something new.
remotelove@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Justin’s humor was unique but was really dry when he was in his own. The other writers really brought his voice to life, IMHO. On that note, I think he was only a writer on one or two episodes of R&M.
MaiCo@kbin.social 1 year ago
Yeah I think if you only have to watch Solar Opposites to see that... his writing touch isn't really crucial to R&M! Good riddance! Someone else can make their mark with the voice acting!
Hunter2@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Allegedly Roiland hasn’t been very involved in the creative process of the show since season 2. He just mostly showed up to the record booth (like Family Guy’s Seth MacFarlane).
Dan Harmon (the other co-creator and) and the remaining writting team were responsible for it.
QHC@kbin.social 1 year ago
Do you sit in the writer's room? What information do you have that contradicts what actual writers and actors on the show have said about Roiland's (lack of) involvement in later seasons?
emmanuel_car@kbin.social 1 year ago
Also, weren’t his charges dismissed?
They were, according to the article
SeatBeeSate@lemmy.one 1 year ago
I thought it was more for the pedophilic grooming rather than the abuse case.
Rhodin@kbin.social 1 year ago
The article said they were under contract to make 10 seasons worth. Maybe they think it’s easier to just ride out the contract than break it.
downpunxx@kbin.social 1 year ago
The quality of Rick and Morty fell off a cliff two seasons ago, and I chalked it up to everything being fucked up by the pandemic. Then I figured there was turnover in the writers room, and stories about how Justin was working on other projects more. Then after the news came out about Roiland, and the court case, it all finally made sense. Rick and Morty sucked shit the last two seasons, and I fear that Roiland was THE essential piece that made it all come together so perfectly. I'll tune in and check it out the next time they roll our new eps, but going by the last two seasons, I think we had our shining brilliant perfect moment in the sun, and I'm not sure it's coming back.
Wooly@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Had completely forgotten about this and was wondering why it had been so long since I’d seen new R&M. This explains a lot.
islandofcaucasus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s only been 8 months since the last episode aired
ABCDE@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Didn’t some come out recently?
MaxVoltage@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Another victim of the american justice system. dude didnt even end up being charged. but just because he is suspsct of a crime he has to go work in food service now and for perpetuity
cant imagine the kind of shit the ceos do but god forbid a worker be anything less than perfect
lwuy9v5@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You don’t always need to meet the legal standard of a crime to be a piece of shit
some_guy@kbin.social 1 year ago
if your bar for morality is “but it’s legal,” congrats: you’re an asshole.
QHC@kbin.social 1 year ago
This has nothing to do with the "justice system". Private companies can make their own decisions.
MaxVoltage@lemmy.world 1 year ago
criminal history should be a protected class just like being black
basically he got fired for something outside of work
should be illegal
rm_dash_r_star@lemm.ee 1 year ago
That’s how it is in the USA, an employer can fire an employee for any number of reasons that don’t involve a crime.
An employee does not get any guarantee of employment. Getting convicted of a sex crime will definitely get someone fired, but an employer can fire someone simply for being counterproductive. Though most government jobs do require a number of official complaints first.
For contract work common in entertainment there are legal obligations. An employer can break a contract at will, but it may end up in court if not settled privately.
Poob@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Wait, do you think companies shouldn’t be able to fire someone for being a sex pest?
MaxVoltage@lemmy.world 1 year ago
no its the judiciarys job to punish criminals
once convincted a death penalty should prevent any trouble
islandofcaucasus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Heyyy I think you might be the first honest to goodness troll I’ve seen on lemmy.
yip-bonk@kbin.social 1 year ago
Holy crap I read the whole thread and article to find out there’s no new thing here - its the same news as earlier this year.
I misread the title as “‘rick and morty’ gives up on recasting process . . “ and thought they were going to kill off the characters or something. Nope. No news.
Steeve@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
That’s the waaayyy the news goes
ultimate_question@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think the new part is the confirmation that they’re seeking soundalikes and not recasting with someone who sounds totally different like in Solar Opposites
PenguinJuice@kbin.social 1 year ago
Kind of ashame :( I get he did some reprehensible shit. Just bummed. I really like this show. I hope it can keep the same vibe.
Ducks@ducks.dev 1 year ago
It’s interesting that the charges were dismissed, but I didn’t follow the case closely. I guess regardless it’s bad news and best to severe ties to Roiland
Hunter2@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
The dude had been having inappropriate conversations with underage teens for years and defending pedophilia on podcasts/interviews.
ANIMATEK@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Who’s voice is gone?
Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Rick and Morty
Flytrap@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Rick and Morty (ALL version) plus tons of side characters. He was the creator and a VERY large part of the cast.
magnetosphere@kbin.social 1 year ago
“Soundalikes” never sound alike enough. It would be easy to write a story where their voices are permanently changed. Maybe I’ll be proven wrong, but as of now, I’m thinking they should have just worked with the change instead of trying to pretend it didn’t happen.
Pazuzu@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Did everyone forget the texts to minors? Dude was a predator. He wasn’t dropped from the show just on the DV accusations but also the mountain of evidence that show he was a creep. wegotthiscovered.com/…/justin-roiland-claims-embi…
Zozano@aussie.zone 1 year ago
I personally think it was the wrong call to drop Roiland before his court case for domestic abuse was reviewed - innocent until proven guilty.
Remember how at the start of the Depp/Heard trial everyone labeled Depp a monster? Then in court, Heard revealed herself to be a liar.
However, the texts he sent were disqualifying in their own right. As a form of risk mitigation, you can’t continue to employ the star of a show teens love, texting underage girls about how they should hurry up and turn eighteen.
aaron_griffin@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Eh, “innocent until proven guilty” is a legal doctrine, not a business one. Sadly, popular tv shows are big business and negative publicity ruins that business, so the business overlords have to make a choice to soak the damage or mitigate it
Smoogy@kbin.social 1 year ago
The Roiland DV case is very different from the depp/heard defamation case.
1: the Roiland case was about whether or not he was found to be committing DV. and it was inconclusive evidence. He might not be found guilty but he’s also not found innocent.
2: His accuser was not to be found guilty of perjury. the case was about finding evidence of DV. Not perjury of his accuser. the depp/heard case was explicitly about what heard gave to the media is what she was found guilty of.
3: Roiland and his accuser didn’t sign a non-disparagement claus. and his accuser didn’t then go talk to Washington post without any conclusive evidence on the outcome of the case. And probably a good thing roiland didn’t sign such a non-disparagement claus as he did post misinformation meant to publicly harm his accuser with that misleading Twitter post about what his case was actually about.
NuPNuA@lemm.ee 1 year ago
What’s most egregious is that Adult Swim are owned by WB and look how many chances they gave Ezra Miller and he still got to be The Flash. Roiland had one set of dropped charges and he got sacked.