Submitted 11 months ago by throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works to youshouldknow@lemmy.world
Tl;dr
I was curious so I had to go look and see what states banned it. I was shocked, shocked I tell you to see the states that banned it are:
Alabama
Arkansas
Florida
Idaho
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
North Dakota
Oklahoma
South Dakota
Tennessee
West Virginia
Wyoming
Why did you add like a hundred spaces in front of the list of states? That makes it a code block that requires tons of horizontal scrolling to read. I didn’t even recognize it as such at first.
You know Lemmy has spoiler syntax, right? If that’s what you were going for?
You’d think it would be democrats worried about another Bernie Sanders coming along.
What is it the republicans are worried about with RCV?
The magas only gained their stranglehold on the party, despite being a minority, due to the neocons splitting their primary ballots.
The left wing vote is split, so the Republicans can win just by getting the largest number of votes with first-past-the-post.
I don’t know because they shouldn’t be.
Republicans like Senator Tom Cotton and Donald Trump have garnered headlines for stating their opposition to ranked choice voting after election results didn’t turn out exactly as they hoped. Their preferred candidates, Sarah Palin in the House and Kelly Tshibaka in the Senate, didn’t win. Both are Republicans. So, they claim (loudly) that RCV is biased against Republicans or “rigged.”
For those non-USians reading this, the pattern is: states which tend to vote Republican and thus have majority Republican governance. So called “red states”.
Does it also shock you that Iowa is on the short list to do the same?
Nope. I live in Minnesota and I’m well aware of what I.O.W.A. stands for.
Is anybody surprised that you could replace the orange with red and have a pretty accurate election map?
In Kansas it surprises me that Kelly signed it; I’d be more inclined to believe that the Republican supermajorities pushed it past a veto.
chunes@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Meh. There are better voting systems such as range voting and STAR.
Cuberoot@lemmynsfw.com 11 months ago
There are, and my state would have banned those too it they’d heard about them when they were banning RCV. They weren’t making principled objections like monotonicity failures. They likely noticed that most of RCV’s loudest advocates were from the wrong party (and some of the were the wrong color too!), and figured that was a good enough reason to shut it down.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
Got some videos here that explains various voting systems if yall are interested.
Electoral Reform Videos
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now) Videos on alternative electoral systems STAR voting Alternative vote Ranked Choice voting Range Voting Single Transferable Vote Mixed Member Proportional representation
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Your STAR voting video doesn’t exist on my end, America here if that matters for copyright/prohibition.
throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
You also have to account in human stupidity. If you make the ballot too complex, dumbasses are gonna mess it up and the ballots will be invalidated.
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 11 months ago
The ballot is the same for all ranked voting methods. The method of determining winner from those ballots varies, and some are clearly worse.
For instance, if a candidate would beat all others 1-on-1 (Condorcet winner), then shouldn’t a decent method always select that candidate as winner? RCV doesn’t do that. Other methods also fail.
This nice table compares voting methods by a wide range of properties. I don’t think it hurts to make a more informed decision before backing a method that will be difficult to change. We got stuck with FPTP through inadequate research, and it’d be great not to repeat that mistake.
While rated voting methods fail the Condorcet winner criterion, by rating instead of ranking candidates they satisfy another set of criteria also worth considering.
deus@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Ok, I’m sold, let’s do this
chunes@lemmy.world 11 months ago
RCV isn’t monotonic, meaning that in the right circumstances you can harm your candidate by voting for him. Doesn’t matter how rare it is; what a ridiculous quality for a voting system to have.