Wolf Reboot

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• dohpaz42@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  The genuinely toxic tale is that we sat around for 69 years before we decided to fix things.

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  • themeatbridge@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Most people like to argue that “people didn’t know better back then.” That’s absolute bullshit. There were ecologists and scientists fighting to preserve wolves in the 1920s, and conservatives and capitalists chose to ignore the best advice of educated experts because killing wolves was easier and more profitable.

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    • boonhet@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Well I for syre learned in school that our ancestors called wolves the nurses of the forest. In our culture anyway. They’re very important because by hunting old and sickly animals preferentially instead of killing indiscriminately, they improve the overall health of populations of other animals like deer or elk. Obviously it’s also not great for any population to get too large because they’ll destroy their own food supply. Again, release the wolves.

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    • dohpaz42@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      For the sake of argument, even if they didn’t know any better (shame on them for not knowing better), they could’ve easily recognized the problem and fixed it much sooner than 1995.

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    • whereisk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      The system is geared towards negative presumption of the recent past even as it glorifies and reveres the long past (ancient philosophers and religious figures).

      Just in case most of us figure out that anything we think of as new or intractable problems are things that we knew about and were deliberately ignored or actively campaigned against by the same forces that do it now.

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  • frezik@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    PETA is still against it. Adding to the evidence that PETA is not a serious organization.

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    • dohpaz42@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      PETA are POS that needs to be put down like the rabid dogs they are.

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  • SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Are we about through with the 69 years sitting around about climate change? Can we actually start fixing things?

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  • b3an@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    How much of that was seeing what all those decades actually DID, and a generation later realizing it needed to be changed.

    Still it’s crappy we are so crappy with our home. I do think we should work exceptionally hard to fix things here. Find real solutions to problems. Else what’s the point of going to other planets? We need those same skills to survive, terraform, geoengineer, know the potential for ecology, etc.

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• jsomae@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  2065: the entire population of Montana is wolves.

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  Don’t ask about Idaho or Wyoming.

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• perishthethought@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  We’re reintroducing wolves in my state now and its been problematic so far.

  coloradosun.com/…/gray-wolves-depredation-payment…

  Nb: I don’t have a side in this. Just sharing recent news.

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  • NewOldGuard@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    The environment is more important than rancher’s bottom lines

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    • perishthethought@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      1000%

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  • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    esajournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/…/ecm.1598 more on this topic, it is open access

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    • perishthethought@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I wonder if anyone knows whether ranchers in WY / MT lost income & were compensated by the state as well?

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  • Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Reintroducing wolves won’t work everywhere.

    Hunting can be an effective population control as well, but seeing how large and sparsely populated Yellowstone is, it’s probably why it didn’t work there.

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  • spankmonkey@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I guess the government pays for all other lost income due to natural events?

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• 2bee@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  I like the concise text information, but as a graphic designer this infographic is very poorly laid out and very easily causes confusion (as partially seen in the comments here).

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• Psythik@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  How did wolves affect all of this?

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  • stopdropandprole@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophic_cascade

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_species

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    • AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Trophic Cascade would be a cool band namr

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  • Ledericas@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    without the wolves, there is nothing stopping the deer population/elks from exploding, and when theres a ton of deer or elk theres an increase the trees, bushes being stripped for food since deers like to eat them. Also the drastic increase in parasites that would affect other animals the deers, have like ticks and tickborne diseases.

    trees and bushes die from all thier leaves getting stripped constantly, unless its a super poisonous tree(which is more common in the tropics), and birds dont have nests, and insects wont able to pollinate certain plants,etc.

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  • zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    It’s the second box

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    • Psythik@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      How is it the wolves’ faults that elk are assholes?

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  • philycheeze@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    My understanding is that this has been wildly oversimplified and puts much more emphasis on the Wolf conservation efforts. To be fair, there is also a lot of places in and around Yellowstone that still teach this same trophic cascade idea.

    wolf.org/…/do-wolves-really-change-rivers-part-tw…

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• driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Is 31 wolves enough for genetic diversity?

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  • MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    There are national forests next to it and native reservations nearby and a more difficult path to Canada, so you would expect some of the males to roam out. That’s only really a problem if they’re isolated.

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• friendly_ghost@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  They forgot to ask the elk

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• Chip_Rat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Don’t dead open inside.

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