I switched to Mint a year ago. Don’t miss a thing.
6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?
Submitted 1 year ago by The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world
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Jaysyn@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I’ve seen a lot of people praising Mint in here. It sounds like that’s the distro for me to try first.
Jaysyn@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Good. The one issue I’ve had installing it is needing to choose Grub2 instead of Grub for the bootloader. No idea why or what the difference is.
ekZepp@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Being a deck owner not over obsessed in the latest tripe A game.
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Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 year ago
My friend was unable to update to windows 11 due to the TPM requirements and looking to switch to linux. I upgraded my CPU and said they should buy my old one. They finally said OK and asked if I could help them install it before they switched to Linux. I installed the CPU and they never switched to Linux because now they have a CPU that meets the TPM requirements.
Windows users really hate change. Microsoft will force them to update and the users will whine but 1 week later they will be used to it then they will stick on windows 11 till EoL.
73CC@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Never again, bye Microsoft Windows 😁 Hi GNU/Linux my new friend.
hakunawazo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
43% of Steam is still on Windows
10 with support…
Seems not so many.
And if they are ending in 7 month why bother.Just put the lin
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ble.garretble@lemmy.world 1 year ago
My Windows 10 PC’s only function at this point is to play FFXIV in my living room, so I’m not super worried about viruses or anything.
But maybe eventually I’ll switch to Linux on that box and do that weird set-up to get FFXIV running there.
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 1 year ago
Anybody tried a steam deck with dock? Gaming and casual desktop should be doable with that.
The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Steam deck with dock is amazing. I picked up a dock about 6 months ago and have gotten so much use out of it.
steve@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Why is Bill Gates in the picture? lol
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I want to move to Linux, but I need to be able to use the VPN service my work uses and I’m just not sure how to get it working on Linux. I should just dual boot.
techognito@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Without prodding too much into what VPN you work uses
Most VPN solutions run on linux just fine, even Microsoft PPTP VPN solution works fine. I would probably check with your IT department what protocol they use and any connection caveats (like machine certificates used for authentication) and look into the different VPN solutions (some examples; WireGuard and OpenVPN are very well supported, IPSec (libreswan or strongswan are options here) depends on setup, PPTP/L2TP should work with most setups (I have to admin I havn’t touched those enough), vpnc works with Cisco base IPsec setups and openconnect works with most SSL VPN connection)
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s Watchguard. Though looking at their site, it seems like there might be support that I wasn’t able to find last time I looked into this. Definitely want to dual boot at some point. I’ve got a Surface Book 3 though, and I know it needs special kernel stuff to get working properly, so I’d almost rather just wait until my boss retires and everyone’s out of a job to dive into Linux. Easier than finding spare time in my life. Living the dream
tomenzgg@midwest.social 1 year ago
Dual-booting was how I first got into Linux; it truly leaves open the ability to keep everything you’re worried about not having.
What’s the VPN?
Resol@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Already on Linux. And proud.
frog_brawler@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I run Fedora KDE now, but I’m going to keep my Windows 10 install on Windows 10.
HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 1 year ago
How are you finding it?
frog_brawler@lemmy.world 1 year ago
No complaints about Fedora KDE specifically. I’ve had it on my spare laptop since version 30 or so. Desktop is on 41 now. The only “issues” I’ve had running this full-time is lack of support for Fidelity Active Trader Pro (which kinda sucks anyway), I haven’t been able to make my bluetooth shipping label printer work yet, and I haven’t gotten my Logi MX Keys / Master S mouse working as it works in Logi Options (on windows or mac) to switch over to my work mac as intended. Otherwise, I prefer it to other distros I’ve used.
Logical@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think I will switch to Linux, possibly dual boot with Win 11 just in case there are games I can’t play on Linux.
Lolseas@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I thought I read some time ago that Windoze 10 would be the last version of Windoze ever…
glitchdx@lemmy.world 1 year ago
i remember it as “the last version of windows you’ll ever need” and they were absolutely correct.
benjaminoakes@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Well, it can be the last version of Windows for you. 🙂
Ubuntu is nice. I use it daily. Others in my family too. And there are other options too. I hear Mint is nice though I haven’t used it much.
Give it some thought. 🙂
Manticore@lemmy.nz 1 year ago
Yeah I remember thr same thing. Everything else was suppose to be a package update.
But back-end technology and usage expectations change, and there’s a limit to what front-end changes an existing user tolerates. That was never a promise they could keep.
It has lasted a really long time, though. I don’t decry 11 existing. I’m upset they’re sunsetting 10 without giving us a chance to wait for 11 to get better, let alone for ‘oops we fixed the fuckups’ W12.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 year ago
Just bought a laptop and put bazzite on it to try it out and figure out if I can do all the things I want to do on it. If that all works out I’ll be switching my desktop over.
VolumetricShitCompressor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Just imagine 43 % market share in the next hardware survey.
notarobot@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Ill bet right before the deadline, they will magically make TPM optional, even though they said they wouldn’t.
Enzy@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Gonna have to.
I don’t mind it, just using w10 for simplicity’s sake.
OtherPetard@feddit.nl 1 year ago
I’m using 10+ years old hardware, Microsoft has already told me I can’t upgrade, followed by several messages asking me to upgrade…
In other news, Linux Mint works nice and I just need to check Protondb to get Warframe running at frames per second and not seconds per frame
glitchdx@lemmy.world 1 year ago
if you’re on Linux mint, check to see if mint itself is out of date. When I installed mint, the only install media I could find was 2 versions behind. Getting to the current version fixed my warframe problems.
gerryflap@feddit.nl 1 year ago
I finally committed to Linux at the end of last year. Enough is working to make it preferable to Windows now. I’m still having a lot of bugs, and it’s costing quite some time. But at least my computer is mine again. No more telemetry, ads, and UIs that treat me like a toddler. No more updates forced onto me instead of being done whenever I want it.
FirstUser@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Me too. Most things just work for me BTW. Laptop battery went from 4 hours to 10+, with better performance too. But most important for me is privacy, which is way better/easier to manage in Linux.
gerryflap@feddit.nl 1 year ago
Ironically my laptop, which has been Linux-only since 2015 or something, has finally stopped working properly. The dedicated GPU (NVIDIA Quadro K1100M) no longer has working drivers with the kernel from Ubuntu 24.04. Then again, it wouldn’t run windows 11 either probably.
Madcat81@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Can’t upgrade because my 4 years old mobo is apparently too old (haven’t checked out the workarounds yet). Installed Linux Mint to give it a try and I am positively surprised so far.
TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org 1 year ago
Already switched to Nobara. Only have Windows dual boot because Space Engineers Multiplayer doesn’t seem to work on Linux.
Sabata11792@ani.social 1 year ago
Been perfectly happy with Nobara. Windows is dead to me and I’m free from my League addiction.
hperrin@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I got ahead of the game a little bit by switching to Linux in 2008.
Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Ah yes, back when Windows Vista and KDE 3 were the hot shit… laggy shit, but still hot…
Bristingr@lemm.ee 1 year ago
And 25% of users in Asia still use Windows 7. People are going to stay on the OS for as long as possible.
filcuk@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
If only we had a reason to upgrade.
Instead, we have many reasons not to.lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 year ago
Yea just set up a windows 11 pc for the first time and the experience was basically:
It forces you into making a Microsoft account or log in with one, then it told me mine was locked even though I was able to log in fine elsewhere. I had to use the alternate log in method to get in (I know you can make a local account but I already had one set up for this).
Then it tries to force you to “back up from your old pc” which this was an entirely different system so I’m not even sure why I would want that.
Then it tries to convince you to send them a bunch of telemetry while reminding you that you’ll still get ads if you don’t, they just won’t be targeted towards you.
Then it tries to push microsoft office on you.
Then it needs to do updates which took like 45 minutes.
Then you’re finally at the desktop where you get probably half a dozen othe pop ups between windows and the vendor.
Then it’s “usable”
By comparison Bazzite took like 20 minutes to get to a usable desktop and isn’t nagging me about ads at all. I have a laundry list of things still to figure out but so far way less annoying.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I won’t be doing pretty much anything about it. I have 10 pro, I don’t really give a shit about what Microsoft thinks I should do. My computer is behind a firewall, and bluntly, it’ll be a while before the security issues become such a problem that I need to go and upgrade.
However. I already did the legwork. I went out and upgraded the hardware TPM 1.2 in my system to TPM 2.0, and I picked up some (relatively cheap) Windows 11 pro product keys. I can upgrade if I want.
I also have access to W10 LTSC, so I can always pivot to that if I need to.
I get the security and other concerns with Windows 10. I do, but the windows 11 changes, to me seem like they’re changes for the sake of things being changed. Windows 10’s user experience was already quite good, apart from the fact that every feature release seemed to have the settings moved to a different location (see above about making changes for the sake of making changes). IMO, as a professional sysadmin and IT support, the interface and UX changes have made Windows, as a product, worse; it is by far the worst part of the upgrade process and I don’t know why they thought any of it was a good idea. I also hate what M$ has done with printers, but I won’t get started on that right now.
For all the nitpicking I could do, Windows was, for all intents and purposes, exactly what it needed to be, between Windows 7 and 10. There hasn’t been any meaningful progress in the OS that’s mattered since x86-64 support was added. Windows 10 32 bit was extremely rare, I don’t think I ever saw it (where W7 was a mixed bag of 32/64 bit). Having almost everyone standardized on 64 bit, and Windows 10, gave a predictability that is needed in most businesses. The professional products should not follow the same trends as the home products. If they want to put AI shovelware and ads into the home products, fine. Revamp the vast majority of the control panel into the settings menu, sure. But leave the business products as-is. By far the most problems that people have with Windows 11 that I hear about, relate to how everything changes/looks different, and/or having problems navigating the “new look” or whatever the fuck.
Microsoft: you had a good thing with Windows 10, and you pissed it all away when you put out the crap that is Windows 11.
Stop moving shit around, making controls less useful, and stop making it look like the UX was designed by a 10 year old. Fuck off.
lka1988@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Microsoft: you had a good thing with Windows <previous version>, and you pissed it all away when you put out the crap that is Windows <new version>.
Ftfy.
That said, there is something to be said for how popular Windows is, and the modifications and QoL improvements offered by 3rd party devs.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I hear what you’re saying, but, there have been some pretty significant improvements to Windows, generation after generation.
Windows 10 finally seemed like they were on the right (and hopefully final) track with the direction of the operating system. Probably the last big improvement was to bring basically everyone to 64 bit.
XP moved us from the 9x kernel to the NT kernel that’s used in Windows today. Vista introduced security features and driver updates that help to keep systems free from many common root kits. 7 brought in a very standard UI, that would be the basis for things going forward, 8/8.1 existed… Then 10 basically uplifted everyone to 64 bit as a default.
Of course this is far from a complete list.
What did W11 add that we didn’t have before? A TPM requirement? Ads? AI slop/shovelware/spyware?
squid_slime@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Install size has gone up, its sluggish on my surface pro 7, its constantly wanting to grab my attention to put towards their other products, windows 10 was bad as it seemed to be ms’s first iteration of their now billboard, but at least I could offline install, make a local account and mostly be left alone. And windows 11 is aweful for its kiddy gloves.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
While I get why they want to do all online accounts, no. Just no.
Ironically, for business users, online accounts are basically the way the industry is moving. Some integration with Azure active directory (now known as “Entra ID” - a useless rebranding of the exact same product), you can connect systems using someone’s email, and it can tightly integrate with your work email account on Microsoft 365, and everything just kind of fits together.
This prevents admins from having to go and do prep/setup on each system and/or maintain a library of system images with all the standard settings for the organization, since connecting with AAD/Entra can also enroll the device into Intune and those policies are just as powerful, if not more powerful than what you can do with images and prep; just now is entirely automatic.
For home users, it’s less about the convenience of system management and more data harvesting of their clients. The irony is that a lot of the business versions still have an option to bypass the online account (usually by selecting an option that you will be joining a classic domain).
So business has the option and largely, business is moving away from it, and home users don’t, but that’s something that a large number of home users want.
The only thought I have on it is that: bitlocker is enabled by default on many newer versions of Windows, by signing in with your M$ account to the PC, those bitlocker keys are backed up. If you don’t use an online account, it’s up to you to back then up, and users either don’t do that, or do it in such a way that it’s ineffective, like saving the recovery key to the very drive that needs that key to unlock it in the event of a problem.
I’ve seen more than one person fall victim to their own lack of knowledge and understanding when bitlocker is enabled, and Windows update screws their boot sequence to the point where they need to do a recovery, which requires the recovery key, which they do not have. It basically makes all of their data inaccessible, and gigabytes of data, just from the people I’ve known affected by this, has already been lost as a result.
Randelung@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If it only was just moving things around. The control panel has been further castrated while the settings app is just bad. Something about their CPU scheduler changes straight up broke VMware, and obviously MS is in no hurry to fix it resp. cooperate with VMware, being a competitor.
Rounded corners? I couldn’t care less. It’s a functional downgrade, though.
hempster@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I also have access to W10 LTSC, so I can always pivot to that if I need to.
You can pivot to W11 LTSC if you want
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
… But why?
I would pivot to W10 LTSC to avoid Windows 11… So why would I move to the LTSC version of the OS I’m trying to avoid?
Makes zero sense.
baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Most problems people have with Linux, I think, come from trying to be Linux power users from the start by performing very advanced techniques beyond their time and patience: dual booting multiple operating systems (so they don’t have to buy Linux-dedicated hardware), using any graphics card (the latest and greatest GPUs are all closed source and developers who work on Linux do so because they despise closed source), using the least expensive hardware (which are typically closed source and buggy with anything except Windows), and emulating Windows apps so they don’t have to learn new workflows or abandon their favorite games (technically, Proton with Steam allows Windows games like FFXIV to be played, but it’s a neverending journey to get it working and keeping it working.
If you switch to Linux, accept that for a smooth experience you’ll have to pay more than you would for a Windows machine (e.g. System76, Framework) And if you want graphics card support for your emulated Windows games on Steam, you’re going to have to use the specific flavor of Linux the manufacturer supports.
That said, if you value free/libre open source software, then making the switch from Windows is totally worth it.
Rainbowblite@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
You are right about trying to be power users. I switched to Linux recently and definitely struggled with my sudden reduction is understanding. I got everything I needed for gaming setup up in a few hours. Then I tried to set up some productivity workflows and slammed into a brick wall of my own ignorance. I definitely considered just going back to Windows.
Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
It’s already really good to hear you got gaming set up so quickly. A lot of people struggle with that as well either because team green (Nvidia) is involved since their drivers are utter garbage, or due to trying Linux on an older machine that doesn’t support Vulkan (which is a necessity if you want Proton to just work).
The value of getting a perfectly supported machine from a Linux vendor like System76, Tuxedo, Slimbook, StarLabs, NovaCustom etc. can’t be understated. Even more so since you also buy their customer support with it. We must not forget that, even though Linux runs on basically anything, most consumer devices are first-and-foremost Windows machines.
TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org 1 year ago
Many Linux distros are not very user friendly and intuitive when it comes to normal users with two left hands when it comes to PCs. Lots of Linux power users need to get off of their high horse and realize this. If I had some issues, my parents definitely will.
hperrin@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
New GPUs don’t work on Linux? Where did you get that idea from?
Sabata11792@ani.social 1 year ago
Got a 7900xtx a few days ago and worked out of the box. Had to update the drivers after install but that took 5 minutes.
the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I had the same question, my 6750xt works just fine and it’s fairly new.
DimFisher@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Very accurate comment!
Mildren@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think this may be out of date now, dual booting is relatively simple to set up and there are a wealth of tutorials online for it, setting up a graphics card (nvidia) was a breeze, and for the wide majority of games in my library (I play both indie and AAA), I’ve had very few issues running native, and most that haven’t ran out of the box have guides posted on protondb.com, most are up and running in 5 mins.
BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Can you elaborate on the incompatibility of the newest GPUs? It looks like Nvidia publishes a Linux driver for the Blackwell series and there are a number of AI applications (like supporting Triton and pysam-based methods) which seem harder to get working on Windows than on Linux.
I’m considering switching over but I hear mixed things about Nvidia support. Some people seem to say it’s a pain to get the drivers working and others seem to think that’s an issue that’s been resolved. Not sure what to think in terms of how difficult the switch would be.
dogs0n@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I’m not sure about the specific AI apps you mention, but from my personal experience the “AMD works way better than Nvidia on Linux” mindset is no longer a thing.
When I upgraded to a new gpu a few years ago, I first got an AMD gpu because of that mindset that was all over the internet (I believed them), but for the life of me I couldn’t get games to run properly with it. A week later I traded it for an Nvidia card and it just works.
I do suffer from system wake from sleep issues that I think are the nvidia drivers fault, but atleast I can play games if I decide to.
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
too late already did switch to linux :3
SolidShake@lemmy.world 1 year ago
yeah i need star citizen, ableton, fl studio, premier, photoshop and more before i can dedicate a jump to linux
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
don’t forget that LTSC is also a solution
SolidShake@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There’s nothing wrong with windows 11 imo
julysfire@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Made the jump to Linux. No issues so far, very happy with the switch
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
I’ve been daily-driving Linux Mint (LMDE 6) on my Thinkpad T14 G1 for almost a year now. At this point, that laptop is easily the most dependable machine I’ve ever had. My gaming PC is the last remaining Windows machine in my house. Recently I’ve been making sure everything is backed up (Syncthing is great for this) and finding alternatives for programs that don’t have a Linux version.
Noam_Parenti@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Steam OS time