Submitted 1 month ago by vegeta@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
wait, why is trump doing this? it is THE tech china is behind on and could have been used strategically to keep them down. isnt that what both republicans and democrats want?
sometimes trump gives me hope the empire is gonna die, but i wanted to understand wtf do the republicans want to do.
Because Biden did it. That’s it. It’s a huge thing and it doesn’t have Trump’s name on it, therefore it’s bad and needs to go away.
i struggle to believe that politicians, especially the sitting president on the biggest empire in the world, won’t ruin their go at power simply because of that. i dont think their followers are putting out good analysis either.
Hey yall remember when the US imported a bunch of rocket scientists from this country in Europe when their gumming got taken over by drug-addled nationalists?
That was great
remember when the US started the communist scare menace, it caused many Chinese to flee and one resulted in chinas fastest development of the hydrogen bomb.
I doubt they understand Mandarin.
You’d be surprised how many top level engineers are Chinese; there’s a joke about AI that it’s our Chinese vs their Chinese.
A bunch of them are likely Chinese or Taiwanese, the latter might also speak Mandarin.
Furthermore, I work in Estonia and all technical communication is in English. Source code is in English. To my coworkers and our clients I speak in Estonian. I suspect if China is going to be bringing in western engineers to their projects, they’ll also accommodate for English speakers.
More than half of all new engineers of the world are chinese.
Can learn
Technical talk is always half english anyway
I think you’d be surprised to discover how many people speak English as a second language, thanks to its extensive use in business and law. Even (perhaps especially) in China, where US-Chinese trade relations have been going strong for decades.
Only in the last few years has the relationship between Wall Street and Hong Kong/Shanghai degraded and the appeal of English as a business language fallen by the wayside.
I mean you get to trade one authoritarian government for another, just the other is super densly populated, polluted to all hell, and speaks a language you probably don’t know. I mean, I guess China has their similarities to Silicon Valley, NYC, Chicago, etc.
Densely populated isn’t a problem for everyone (I like sense), and the pollution isn’t as bad as it used to be, right?
The authoritarian part is a big issue of course, but my layperson perceptions of the material conditions of China is that it’s not nearly as bad as it used to be, and is getting better
And another upside, good public transit
For 99% of Americans the authoritarian part means “I’m poor as fuck and live in a cardboard box on a rural dirt road but at least I can freely say ‘removed!’ and wont get arrested! GERD BLERSSS MERRIKER!!”
I’ve got mixed feelings on the CHIPS act.
It was basically born out of a panic over a short term shortage. Like many industry observers accurately stated that the shortages will subside long before any of the CHIPS spending could even possibly make a difference. Then the tech companies will point to this as a reason not to spend the money they were given.
That largely came to pass, with the potential exception of GPUs in the wake of the LLM craze.
Of course, if you wanted to give the economy any hope for viable electronics while also massively screwing over imports, this would have been your shot. So it seems strategically at odds with the whole “make domestic manufucating happen” rhetoric.
Like many industry observers accurately stated that the shortages will subside long before any of the CHIPS spending could even possibly make a difference.
If you consider advanced microprocessors a strategic asset, the immediate short-term pinch in supply isn’t the problem. Its the long-term overseas outsourcing of production to regions we consider at high risk of foreign conflicts (Taiwan and South Korea). Simply moving finished chips across the Pacific Ocean is its own strategic problem.
One could easily argue that our steadily ratcheted hostilities toward China, Russia, and Iran is the actual root cause of our problems. And we’d do well to in-source production for supply flow reasons, but our real panacea might be to simply stop fucking around at the periphery of a rival imperial power.
But if you consider the Russian, Chinese, and Iranian peoples as inherently adversarial to the American way of life (on account of them hating us for our freedoms), then relying on Samsung and TMSC as your primary supply of chipsets seems imprudent.
Of course, if you wanted to give the economy any hope for viable electronics while also massively screwing over imports, this would have been your shot. So it seems strategically at odds with the whole “make domestic manufucating happen” rhetoric.
A big central problem of the US chips strategy is that we’re not building capacity, we’re building investment incentives. The goal is to make local manufacturing profitable rather than productive. But that’s at the root of the ideological divide between American and the BRICS we’re positioning ourselves in opposition to.
We wouldn’t be threatening war with these countries if we had a strong global socio-economic consensus.
Whelp, I know who to call traitors.tl the free world: anyone who takes the bait here. Not saying America is the better option currently, but definitely a lot better than the “There’s No Genocide In Xinjiang Despite An Independent Tribunal Saying There Is!” China team.
The most documented genocide in human history is happening in gaza and is fully funded and supported to the point of prisons and deportation in America. This “independent tribunal” never went to xinyang and are an arm of American global influence. How fucking stupid are you, you live in the most facist, evil and more imperialistic nation on earth, who are you to point fingers at literally any nation when your nation was born from the genocide of an entire continent!! Go read a book, Jesus Christ
What about the genocide of Native Americans and African Americans here?
You need to be careful throwing stones when you live in a glass house.
That’s history that, at least in my region, we learn about in school. For the most part, we let them do their thing nowadays and aren’t actively commiting genocide on them. Police brutality on them may speak differently, but the majority of people who aren’t racist and/or rich already want the police gone because of their brutality.
As for the rest of the states, it’s a mixed bag due to bad eggs, but I’m fairly certain the official government stance is accepting of the fact we’ve treated both natives and African Americans bad. It’s why we learn about it. Tried looking it up, but was suspiciously finding a lot of content from Chinese embassies in America about how we need to come to terms with the Native American genocides and atrocities, from around the same time as the tribunal, maybe a month or two after people started reporting on it. Very suspicious timing on their part. Couldn’t find what I was looking for because I kept getting Chinese (.gov.cn) links over any official US links, which is very suspicious to me because it looks a lot like search engine rigging in my eyes.
The US is not better than China, and there’s absolutely no evidence for anything close to a genocide in Xinjiang, if there was then the UN investigatiors sent specifically to find it would probably have found it
Europe, Oceania, and Canada should also be doing this.
Never thought I’d live to see the day that we’re getting brain drained
Been happening for a lot longer than we like to admit. Students coming to the US for education and then returning home to work have been the norm since the early '00s, on account of the US higher education system being highly subsidized by the States and Feds. This made US education relatively cheap for its quality, especially at the state university level.
But that was good, actually, because we became a nexus of research and development. Lots of students came, got education, and left. Lots more stayed around, lured by the high paying jobs at domestic firms. A few even joined the education staff of the universities themselves. A bit of brain drain was fine, so long as we produced far more than we lost.
Now we’re just hemorrhaging talent and expertise because we no longer value the work product of the professional classes.
Brain drain will eventually lead to a rightward shift, since more educated people tend to lean left.
lost_faith@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
We are going to bring production back to the US! First step, remove Bidens attempt to bring production back to US!
NatakuNox@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Then reintroduced it as Trump’s and add more money to the top 1%