Submitted 2 weeks ago by muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee to fediverse@lemmy.world
Looking for a Lemmy instance with the following :
I swear I have seen this "free speech instance" nonsense at least 3 or 4 times before this in the last month. All with similar combination of words. This is probably a same troll.
This is the first time I’m asking. I guess Lemmy is just getting more of the mainstream and I guess that’s going more towards free speech. BTW do u enjoy exercising ur free speech to shit on the concept of free speech
your concept of free speach is just bullshit, that’s all
Your own instance. But don’t complain if you get defederated
For the context: lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/37235684
OP, not sure you’ll find such a “free speech” instance among the popular ones. Maybe a smaller will accept you.
The instance you are imagining will inevitably be inundated with the output of spambots. You don’t want a completely unmoderated instance because it will just not be an enjoyable place (even for you! even for people who have no problem with getting exposed to “hate speech”!) to hang out on.
I think lemm.ee defederates from very little, that is the closest I know of, but I see that that’s already where you are, so I can’t help you much more than that.
From the lemm.ee sidebar “No bigotry”
Don’t think bigotry means what ur think it means dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/…/bigotry
So, I gather what you’re encountering is communities that are tossing out posts and comments that do not break any laws, on the basis that they find them distasteful. And you’re looking for an instance where communities will not do this, but that is also federated with all of the instances hosting the communities that are doing this.
But to what end? If you are still trying to interface with those communities, the posts will still be removed. Being on a “free speech instance” doesn’t insulate you from the rules of the communities you are engaging with. There’s only an issue if you’re finding yourself under pressure to change your own behaviour under threat of the admins banning you from the site.
You’re looking for a space where you will feel welcome, but where one of the key defining elements is making it easy to ignore that local space.
I’m not sure you’re presenting a coherent desire here.
I’m looking for an instance to move my community to where the admins will not intefear with how I moderate the speech on my community while still allowing people from other instances to interact.
It appears that you are looking to get all of the benefits of community, while absolving yourself of any of the responsibilities. You want to use someone else’s i stance, without having to follow any of their rules. You want to have your own little safe space to spew whatever it is that obviously goes against community guidelines, but also for that space to be able to interact freely with the community. We don’t want to interact with you on that level, that’s why we are all here, following those rules.
If you really want a place where you can say whatever shitty thing you think everyone eeds to hear, then go make your own instance.
Which will be de-federated from all of these instances.
There is no such thing as ‘free speech friendly’. Free speech is not absolute, and is defined / restricted differently across countries. So different instances will have to comply with their different local laws.
Also: an instance allowing comments doesn’t mean there won’t be consequences. For example: you can criticise the Thai royal family all you want on a US based instance, but don’t ever show your face in Thailand after doing that if you value your freedom.
It’s pretty basic to understand why what you’re looking for doesn’t exist. Every instance that has rules for it’s own user will defederate from an instance that prides itself on breaking those rules. So you’re not going to find an instance that allows you to break the rules that most of the community agrees with while also being federated with everybody.
I post this every time someone is looking for “free speech”, and it has been completely relevant every single time.
Ahh yes cos the American government invented free speech. Someone should really come up with a philosophical idea based on it hey?
No, that xkcd is relevant because that’s exactly what free speech means. Your government won’t arrest you for saying stuff, but for the same reason you are free to speak, we are free to act within law against you.
And there is no law forbiding people from boycotting or unhosting or simply not listening to what you say.
You are free to speak, we are free to listen.
“Free speech is I get to say whatever I want, and you have to sit there and listen to me!!”
That’s not free speech, that’s a hostage situation.
allows bot majority communities
Fucking why?
Freedom of speech means you can say what you want (within reason) and the government can’t stop you. It doesn’t mean that anyone has to listen.
If you want to engage in what is largely regarded as hate speech, see where trump and musk post, they’re pretty good at hating.
idHt you dont need a freeze peach instance only a freeze peach community !chadmctruthstruth@lemmy.world
The first amendment only applies to the government. Instances are free to do whatever they want.
Ahh yes free speech was invented by the American government. Someone should come up with a philosophical idea about it shouldn’t they.
i mean, philosophical ideas aren’t rights…
ronald reagan invented free speech liberal
As what has probably been said a million times, “free speech” is not some absolute thing.
hilariouschaos.com might be what your looking for
Instance admins have to take on the responsibility and liability of running a website, I don’t think most would also want to leave it unmoderated as well. For the most part if you aren’t on beehaw, hexbear, or ml/grad. Most instances are fairly “free speech” according to your definition. I don’t think I’ve ever had a comment removed.
If you still don’t think that lemm.ee or .world is “free speech” enough for you, you are free to host your own unmoderated instance. Don’t expect anyone to federate with you though if your free speech is hateful or inflammatory though.
AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
You are not going to find “free speech” instances federated with everyone, because what you are looking for is an instance allowing bigotry and racism, things that most of lemmy don’t like.
xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
I don’t like racism, but that doesn’t mean I want to forbid racist people from expressing their views.
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Nobody is stopping people from expressing their views, but we’re not obligated to view them, or give them a platform to say them.
AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
So you are a racist. Got it.
kat@orbi.camp 2 weeks ago
Fucked up
queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Literally why?
tsiad_mordecai_miktros@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
idbt
muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Wait ive seen people giving sdf shit for their admins not nuking people content. What’s their policy like is it how they run things or just lax admins?