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• OpenStars@piefed.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I'm not sure how it is possible to produce merely average people though? Anyway, even if humanity itself were to not change, the world around us still does. Perhaps one day aliens will show up, assuming that climate change doesn't kill us all in the moderate term future. Just like all those species of animals and plants and such that we've driven extinct: they lasted so long, but then could not survive us.

  So I would argue that we *always* should remain strong... it's just that the definition of what that even means will constantly keep changing, in response to our circumstances.

  But, Stoicism, yeah - it's literally all that we can do, so let's do that.:-)

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  • rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m not sure how it is possible to produce merely average people though?

    Not getting excited with global solutions and utopias. At some point in my 12-15 I considered libertarianism a far wiser ideology than the rest due to this, but then noticed how there are libertarian utopias emerging for all tastes. Panarchy (that’s not yet a thing), agorism (that to some extent is, with cryptocurrencies and internet connectivity) and maybe something else.

    Any wise construct stops being wise if you rely on it too much.

    So people thinking “correctly” are not those you want to have, people familiar with good things, but not invested too much, are.

    If you build a construct (say, in a game like Civilization) with -7 modifier to fascism, then the humanity will regulate to that and negate the modifier. Then your construct crumbles, and the humanity gets +7 to fascism. Was it really a good idea in the first place then?

    So I would argue that we always should remain strong… it’s just that the definition of what that even means will constantly keep changing, in response to our circumstances.

    And that means that trying to remain strong we’ll waste effort in all directions instead of having some when needed.

    But, Stoicism, yeah - it’s literally all that we can do, so let’s do that.:-)

    Stoicism is about spending effort where you should and not spending when you shouldn’t. It’s not pure inaction, it’s the way to do less nonsense.

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    • OpenStars@piefed.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Humans seem not to be great planners - we are too short-sighted and selfish, but like in a bad way where we first lie to ourselves, and then also to one another.

      This allows us to get out of local minima as we spread to new areas, but that same trait seems equally likely to lead to our extinction when all areas have been found and we need rather to switch to a more stablilzed society, yet won't bc we don't feel like doing so.

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      • rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Such situations would regularly arise till early XX century and even now, so, eh, humanity tries everything. I wouldn’t assume I know a solution.

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