cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/24230552
Just capitalism doing its thing
This is seriously fucked up, but I don’t get the capitalism part of it?
I think we might be leaving the "boring" part of this dystopia
Submitted 1 year ago by bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de to aboringdystopia@lemmy.world
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potentiallynotfelix@lemmy.fish 1 year ago
JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 1 year ago
They are proposing a humsn body factory for producing wage slaves.
TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 1 year ago
they are proposing a human body factory for producing humans. you’re the one calling them wage slaves. it’s some gruesome Frankenstein shit but has nothing to do with C word
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They aren’t keeping brain dead women as incubators for free.
SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 1 year ago
How many viable children could a vegetable human create before the body just turns into meat slag? (Serious question)
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Name and shave the “academic”
bstix@feddit.dk 1 year ago
The original “academic” is a philosophy professor, so unless you want to act like The Thought Police, then you shouldn’t have any reason to be angry over this thought being thought.
Her actual paper also warns against the idea. The whole story was blown out of proportion by the media.
If you still want to shave her, you should probably ask for her consent.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Hear me out: we let people who are into it shave all the braindead women?
Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 1 year ago
But like… why babies? We already have way too many of those. We need less babies.
If we’re going to delve into some seriously murky ethical water here, why not forcus on something there’s an actual need for, like organ harvesting and blood harvesting? And that would double donor pool by including men as poss-- …oh. Oh yeah. That’s why. -_-
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 year ago
We need fewer babies.
I don’t know who this “we” is. Circumstances vary heavily by household and neighborhood.
Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I don’t know who this “we” is.
The inhabitants of planet Earth. Making a baby is one of the largest carbon footprint things anyone can do. The climate is actively writing humanity’s (and plenty of other critters’) eviction notice via the heat we’re pumping into our planet.
The needs of the individual household include not being cooked to death, and I’d wager that supersedes whichever other circumstances you had in mind.
We need fewer babies.
boonhet@lemm.ee 1 year ago
But like… why babies? We already have way too many of those. We need fewer babies.
Capitalism has a need for unlimited growth and also most national pension systems globally take the current working generation’s money to pay for the retirement of the current retired generation - so the future working generation needs to be big enough to support the current working generation in turn.
My own country did a footgun thing here. We had a mandatory 2nd pillar system where you contribute to a fund, the gvt matches (well, doubles) your contribution, and that gets added to the normal 1st pillar national pension when you retire, either you take it out as a lump sum, or get paid a portion of it per month. You literally couldn’t take money out of it prematurely. Except the right-wing populists decided to allow taking money out of it with the caveat that you can’t rejoin it for
psud@aussie.zone 1 year ago
But governments are not willing to do the one thing that would make for higher fertility - make the country a nice place to live, with enough support for parents so having a child isn’t an economic disaster
I wonder what my country will be like with half the number of people. We’re building so many houses, my town has two new suburbs opened in the last ten years as we head toward peak population, but our fertility rate is just over 1.6, replacement rate is 2.1. many countries are worse
Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Cancer has a need for unlimited growth, that doesn’t mean we should coddle a tumor: cut that shit out, then put it under the microscope so we know how to stop it from happening again.
Your county’s findings that right-wing populists are trash are consistent with a myriad of similar ‘studies’ around the globe. Mine just elected an orange neonazi who loves making decisions that hurt the quality of human life, so we’ll be adding plenty of data to that pile pretty soon here too.
MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
If we’re going to delve into some seriously murky ethical water here, why not forcus on something there’s an actual need for, like organ and blood harvesting?
Speaking of, I just watched the MST3K episode on The Clonus Horror. It didn’t end well.
Tap for spoiler
It didn’t start particularly good either. And the middle was a slog.
pumpkinseedoil@mander.xyz 1 year ago
That’s already a thing in many countries, an opt-out program for organ donating, so by default they will take my organs if I’m braindead
Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I mean a step or two beyond that- like keep a braindead body alive via feeding tube and ventilator so it’s just constantly generating blood that drips into donor bags. Keep just enough in the body’s circulation to keep it ticking, but bag the rest – it would produce WAY beyond the output of a mind-intact donor.
Bone marrow transplant? Done. Skin grafts? Hit it. Fucking hair for wigs? Plasma? Hell, even fecal transplants are a thing (restores GI microbiome that got wiped out… it’s gross as fuck, but it’s a thing - and it requires the donor to follow a VERY specific diet, that can now be force-fed).
Basically anything the body passively generates that we have some use for; keep a braindead-human-cattle-donor on life support and milk it for all it’s got.
…that sounded a bit bit like a sales pitch - gist is to illustrate just how far we could take this. Putting the focus on babies will just worsen the population problem, but also showcases an extreme lack of imagination!
latenightnoir@lemmy.world 1 year ago
WHAT THE FUCK!
baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Literally the plot of Shin Sekai Yori (2008).
winterayars@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Jesus fucking Christ i want to schedule a hysterectomy and i don’t even have one of those.
HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Donate one.
Cruxifux@feddit.nl 1 year ago
Suggest like 2 of the most evil doctors you could find so that, actually, YOU could suggest it, The Telegraph
IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Isn’t this just like organ donation, but instead of organ, its the entire body?
(I mean, provided, that the deceased has consented to this before dying.)
Deceptichum@quokk.au 1 year ago
“States and health services should adapt their policies and procedures to allow for WBGD among other donation options,” wrote Prof Smajdor in the paper, published by Theoretical Medicine and Bioethics.
Thats pretty much what she’s arguing for.
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
The mpreg world we’ve all been waiting for
ApollosArrow@lemmy.world 1 year ago
jrs100000@lemmy.world 1 year ago
What does this have to do with capitalism?
bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Capitalists are freaking out over the declining birthrate because anyone with a brainstem knows “AI” and robots won’t replace human workers for a long time, and the machine is hungry.
exploitedamerican@lemm.ee 1 year ago
This is exactly why conservatives have strong armed the judicial branch to backtrack and erase the legal precedent of roe v wade. Its not about their moralist grandstanding. Wealthy people will still be able to safely and comfortably access reproductive health care but their goal is to force poor women/ couples to give birth to children who will be unwanted, unaffordable, and ultimately neglected or even abused living in poverty or becoming institutionalized which will put them at an even higher risk of neglect and abuse.
They know that many people are now refusing to work for the absolute garbage wages they have standardized across the US labor market. 54 years ago one adult working a full time minimum wage job could support a family of four with enough left over to save for retirement, their kids higher education and go on a modest yearly family vacation. Today however it takes both adults working 2 jobs at 80 hours a week with overtime at a base pay of at least $30/hour which is quadruple the federal and double my states minimum wage. Back in the year 1968 minimum wage of $1.60/hr with gold at $35/oz earned 95 ounces of gold annually at 40 hours a week employment. That would be $260,000 today. Even in 1950 (75¢/hr) it was 45 ounces($120,000) a year and 1956($1/hr)was 60 ounces ($160,000) and in the same time frame where minimum wage has lost 84-93% of its value corporate executive pay has ballooned from 30-60 times the median worker salary to 1000-5000 times that same metric today
There are several historical events that I believe show our government has been hijacked by wall street mili And prison industry profiteers who now control and ultimately own our representatives and had them intentionally devalue the US dollar to eradicate the progress made by the labor and civil rights movements in the 40’s 50’s and 60’s while they adequately adjusted their executive compensation to cover this massive theft of currency value. Since then corporate tax has gone from 72% to just 14% today and the tax for income above $200,000 up till Reagan was 91% and today its no different from the tax rates payed by working class people.
And these thieving fraudsters know that people with even a basic level of intellectual understanding are refusing to produce labor when it isn’t worth their effort. More people now than ever are openly expressing dissatisfaction with the environment of labor and wealth distribution. So their solution is to force poor people to have children so they can reap the benefits by exploiting people who are so desperate they have no other option but to work for wages that don’t incentivize the production of labor and lack any amount of dignity. This is the ultimate reality to the recent reversal of roe v wade by a corrupt court owned by fascist plutocratic oligarchs.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Lol. What? Who? Which “capitalists”?
I swear, Lemmy is sometimes just as bad as the far right talking about “antifa”.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 year ago
McDonalds threatened to replace their employees with machines, and when they tried it cost them millions…
“15 an hour? Meet your replacement!” was nothing but a scare tactic, if machines were viable they’d already be in use.
jrs100000@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It seems like its just ethno-nationalists freaking out. Capitalists have been tackling this problem with immigration for a long time.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 1 year ago
can’t wait for the socialists to be out on the streets when other peoples money runs out
Bgugi@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Capitalism is when bad stuff
Remotedeck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
If it becomes a thing capitalists could try to implement systems that make more brain dead women than would exist naturally, so that there are more babies to become workers. Look at for profit prisons and how we have more people in prison than any other country. If they want something they can pay to get it
jrs100000@lemmy.world 1 year ago
But came out of a public university on Colombia. Nobody ever suggested doing this for profit.
IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Organ donation already exist. Doctors tried to kill someone that was still alive to get their organs.
I mean why save someone if they could just let them die do they can harvest the organs. Same thing with this.
bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Axlotl tanks?
UnculturedSwine@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
The more I learn about the Frank Herbert novels, the more I realize how prescient and relevant they are to this day.
weeeeum@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The problem aren’t babies, its funding those babies. Raising children is fucking expensive, and in the age of infinite growth nobody is allowed to slowdown to raise children. Adoption centers and foster homes are abysmal, and having kids is too expensive for most people.
The rich dont want to pay for peoples kids, they just want to squeeze the value out them. Thats why Elon and his vice president trump wants more H-1B visas. They don’t have to pay for the childcare or education, they can just drain educated workers from another struggling country
Apytele@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
The best way to get people to not care that you’re raping (or otherwise abusing / exploiting) their children is to make sure they have too many to keep track of.