I’m a YouTube creator, part of the partner program, and I also manually upload to TILvids. The videos I make generate about $100-$300 a year through the partner program, so I’m not a professional by any means. It feels like they’re trying to keep creators from leaving by putting up small roadblocks that limit our reach beyond the platform. Given PeerTube’s non-profit model, I see it as a potential future for content sharing. Though there are a few rock stars on YouTube, most of the creators on that platform make little to no money from publishing videos. There are more people like me than Linus Media Group.
Google has been blocking many tools/IP ranges that try to synchronize with YouTube
Submitted 2 months ago by mesamunefire@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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art@lemmy.world 2 months ago
ripcord@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I would guess a significant number of “creators” are motivated by the idea of eventually becoming a hit and making much more money, though. And wouldn’t really do it of they didn’t have that dream.
Not sure what percentage, though. Maybe less than I think.
mesamunefire@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Yeah its really too bad how Youtube treats other video creators. Its a strange world. Hopefully peertube (given enough time) will have some viable options or at least an alternative. Is there any other platforms that work with video creators like yourself? I personally dont know of too many other than maybe twitch? I haven’t been keeping up.
foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
We need to slowdown YouTube and get an alternative that is viable for people and creators. The problem in this case is creators and brands, almost no creators would continue doing videos if there’s no money at the end
Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 months ago
The problem with money being involved is it’s an invitation to spam crap everywhere.
One of my relatives has recently taken up “AI travel videos” and “AI cute videos” as a “hobby”. No doubt based on the first thing that came up when I searched for those things, a video titled “make $10,000 a month spamming up YouTube with your AI slop”.
Oh, and it needs you to buy the AI slop generating tools that they happen to sell. How convenient!
I mean, this also happened with broadcast TV, where we suddenly went from like 4 channels filled with programs and things competing for space, to 200 channels, where the rush was on to fill the gaps between the adverts as cheaply as possible with reality show tat. And that’s all YouTube is now.
anon_8675309@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The other problem is storage and bandwidth.
foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
The solution is decentralization of the web
Teils13@lemmy.eco.br 2 months ago
There is the PeerTube network, which works like Lemmy.
foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
This is one the best YouTube alternative but needs to be adopt massively
x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Odysee is actually doing amazing. The interface is great and the speed is even better than Youtube at the moment.
They are however swithing their core structure from one blockchain powered storage model to another one, so at the moment it’s a bit guesswork and could possibly turn out very bad. (ArWeave bought them…)
Regarding the far right content on the platform; yes, there is a bit of it, but I have only once come across it, and I was actually browsing some categories relating to politics. So in normal usage, following content creators and checking what Odysee is featuring, you’ll not come across them. But even if you do, Odysee’s block/mute functionality works better than the one on YouTube.
Doburoku@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Nah a little alt right content is entirely too much.
sentientity@lemm.ee 2 months ago
It’s subscription based, but Nebula is creator owned I believe. Sucks though that everything free gets acquired by some extractive company.
Etterra@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Something community owned and a non-profit would be good.
gallopingsnail@lemmy.sdf.org 2 months ago
They’re already halfway there /s
foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Right, but again the problem is creators
bruhduh@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Russia did it recently
Teils13@lemmy.eco.br 2 months ago
VK Video is indeed probably close to it, being a quasi state company. Theoretically they can not maximize profit extraction in all spaces, and keep the videos without unlimited propaganda. But Rutube is a profit-seeking company that is just smaller scale youtube. Let’s see how the 1st will evolve over time.
foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
😂
linearchaos@lemmy.world 2 months ago
We probably need to have some kind of business that links up people looking for ads with in video monetization. Of course sponsor block Will negate that to some decent extent.
where_am_i@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
The other day someone on lemmy kept trying to tell me that if google wanted to shut down ad blocking they would. But they don’t, so it’s ok.
Lol, spawn me that person plz.
FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 2 months ago
AdBlocking is 100% OK, that part is correct for sure. Ad networks (including Google’s) routinely serve up scams and malware: It is foolish not to use a browser with a fully functional ad blocker at this point (i.e. avoid Chrome, use Firefox with uBlock origin).
Rider@eviltoast.org 2 months ago
Yes at this point why would any person would care what Google thinks? Google can go fuck themselves.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 months ago
If Google takes money to host an ad that’s malware, they should be able to be prosecuted for it.
This is different than simply hosting community content that they can’t reasonably moderate. They’re being given money to distribute these ads, so they can afford to moderate them.
Which should be easy anyway. Ads shouldn’t be able to install third-party shit from the advertisers on user computers. Google can easily restrict what can be included on an ad package.
Psythik@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Is this the reason why SmartTubeNext keeps breaking on my TV? The updates come pretty quickly but it’s getting annoying cause my $1800 OLED has the processing power of a $50 Chinese Android phone and thus takes forever to install updates.
bruhduh@lemmy.world 1 month ago
50$ Chinese android phone is faster tho
emil_98@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It really is maddening how slow these expensive ass smart TVs are. Updating the software at all is often enough to make them nearly unusable
Psythik@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Not to mention the hilariously tiny storage space. My TV came out in 2022, and has 8 freaking gigabytes of storage space. That’s right, eight. Before I removed all the pre-installed bloat with ADB, it barely had enough space left to install one app fresh out of the box. It’s like these smart TV manufacturers expect people to only use the built-in apps and nothing else ever.
archomrade@midwest.social 2 months ago
I’m honestly surprised peertube has lasted as long as it has as it is
dsilverz@thelemmy.club 2 months ago
It still lasts because there’s no easy way YT can offer their own content without the video being available as a file stream (through CDNs at googlevideos subdomains). If they centralize everything to a single, controlled domain (so to allow things as one-time HTTPS request, better session checking and so on), they’d lost the capability of load balancing allowed by the decentralized nature of CDNs. YouTube downloaders (and, by extension, third-party YT frontends such as Invidious) exploit this CDN aspect to download the videos.
It’s common to see Invidious instances momentarily blocked. The blockage can’t last forever for two reasons: firstly, IPs (especially IPv4) changes due to how ISPs offer IPv4 addresses through CGNAT, so the instance IPv4 (generally domestic servers) will eventually change (often to a completely different IPv4 range) and YouTube won’t know that the new IP is a former “offender”. Secondly, as IPv4s works through CGNAT, Google can’t keep the bans forever because this IPv4 will be eventually rotated to another client from ISP that’s completely unrelated and unaware of how their IPv4 was a former address for a downloader. It’s like how Signal/WhatsApp/Telegram/Facebook/phone-required services can’t really keep a permanent ban for a specific prepaid number (especially on countries like Brazil, where ANATEL allows for phone number rotation when the mobile plan is cancelled), because the number will be potentially owned by another person with nothing to do with the former owner.
So, in summary, Google can either end with YouTube CDNs (ditching their load balancing), or they can try to implement an innovative way to keep load balancing while serving the request one-time only, or they won’t be able to do nothing but to perpetually catch themselves drying ice cubes.
needanke@feddit.org 2 months ago
Maybe a stupid question, but how do paid streaming services avoid that issue?
tal@lemmy.today 2 months ago
That doesn’t sound like it’s an incredibly difficult problem to solve from a technical standpoint, if the creator is the one being hit. Just need either a software package – or, if the limitation here is content creator bandwidth, service – that pushes a video to multiple streaming video providers.
Might be an issue for third-parties creating mirrors of YouTube content, though.
mesamunefire@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Yep thats whats happening here by the sound of it. TILVids is a very small instance that shares donated $$ with their creators. Its a very good way to try and keep creators on the platform.
RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
What are some good larger/general purpose peer tube instances? Last time I checked tilvids was one of the largest I found.
CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
I wonder if these services are on small cloud providers. If so then they can just block their entire CIDR.
I wonder if they were to move to GPC if they would have better luck.
mesamunefire@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Im seeing it from a residential IP. I think its more they have an allowlist rather than a blocklist nowadays. But I can only speculate. Piped stopped working a month or so ago on my personal instance and updates dont fix it. I can imagine for video uploaders, the issue is worse.
lone_faerie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Instead of blocking IPs, Google would just shut them down
Rob200@lemmy.autism.place 2 months ago
This can be problematic for Peertube’s adoption.
If user only uses Peertube to upload, they likely wouldn’t notice a thing from this, but if it’s a creator from Youtube that’s trying to upload to multiple platforms this can cause major problems for ease of use and since the Peertube user base is small to begin with, this can potentially damage Peertube in the long run.
anticurrent@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
I took full advantage of invidious while it was still working, now I am anxious of ever going back to YouTube. It won’t be long before they requiring giving them your iris scan before watching a video on that shit platform.
IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 2 months ago
“Google shouldn’t be allowed to operate as a loss leader” - Reddit and Lemmy
“Paying for the service? Fuck that” - Also lemmy and Reddit.
takeda@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Amazing. As if these communities are made with thousands of people having different opinions.
And here’s mine: since Google used their position to essentially destroy any competition in this area, why should be my duty to protect their revenue? Even if I can afford to pay their services, I won’t and will actively discourage anyone else from doing so, by installing uBlock, ReVanced, SmartTube, GrayJay etc.
IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 2 months ago
You can have a diverse community that has a large majority opinion. And what I said is certainly the prevailing opinion.
And to answer you about your personal view: You are stealing the right to distribution and taking money away from both corporations but more importantly creators. And I’ve seen the rates of direct donations eg patrons . It’s not ideological for most people, it’s about getting content for free.
Are you donating to every channel you are watching? I doubt it. Even the people who care mostly only donate directly to one of two top patrons, while still consuming many many more.
If you are actually donating, then good for you, I congratulate you for living what you preach and have zero qualms. But you would be a statistical edge case.
mriormro@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It’s not your duty at all but it’s funny when you guys bitch about it with such fervor. It comes off as incredibly entitled.
altima_neo@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
I’ve noticed a few people on Reddit taking about getting possibly shadow banned on YouTube, myself included. With no real explanation why? Every video just comes up as “content not available” when logged in. It started a week ago or so. I wonder if this is all related?
erenkoylu@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
pkmkdz@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Alt nominations: Grayjay (Android) Freetube (PC)
bruhsoulz@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
This sux big time, been using grayjay and it seems to be working alright thus far
joe_cool@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
That’s because it’s all local to your device.
General_Effort@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Hmm. Per Facebook v. Power Ventures, it could be a (criminal) violation of the CFAA to “circumvent” IP blocks.
VanHalbgott@lemmus.org 2 months ago
Oh yeah, still don’t know how to use Peertube.
Oof.
ISOmorph@feddit.org 2 months ago
I’ve seen the effects on invidious these past days. 8 in 10 instances have been broken. Google is putting some serious work into shutting alternate frontends down. Shows you how much of a dent they’re putting in the bottom line.
Zorque@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Or how desperate google execs are to get even the tiniest bump in revenue.
Zidane@lemmy.world 2 months ago
LINE MUST GO UP AT ALL TIMES
helenslunch@feddit.nl 2 months ago
GrayJay is the only one that seems to still work without issue but it’s getting updates very regularly.
VerPoilu@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
Invidious and YouTube piped (and LibreTube) by default load the videos server-side, as opposed to GrayJay, NewPipe or Smarttube.
It has advantages (mostly that your IP address is not shared with YouTube, and it allows users from countries where YouTube is blocked to still access it) and inconvenients (much harder to keep up when YouTube actively seeks to block them).
noodlejetski@lemm.ee 2 months ago
github.com/iv-org/invidious/issues/4734#issuecomm…
hopefully they come up with a workaround.