The annoying thing is I have had people claim that 8GB and 16GB is fine on Apple and works better than on PC laptops. To the point one redditor point blank refused to believe I owned an Apple laptop. I literally had to take a photograph of said laptop and show it to them before they would believe me about the RAM capacity.
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HauntedCupcake@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Whoa, that’s like 32GB of Windows RAM. Seems excessive to me tbh
areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 4 months ago
x00z@lemmy.world 4 months ago
You should have said “sure buddy” and ignored them.
areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 4 months ago
The problem is they will then keep spreading misinformation.
lemming741@lemmy.world 4 months ago
And that’s your problem? Do you hold $AAPL
echodot@feddit.uk 4 months ago
Obviously it depends on the situation but sometimes it is worth talking to idiots not because you have any chance of changing their mind but just demonstrate to everyone else in the thread that they are in fact an idiot. Just in case somebody thinks they have a point.
x00z@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Sure buddy.
HauntedCupcake@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I own a 8GB MacBook Pro for work, it’s definitely better than a PC with 8GB of RAM, but not better or even close to a PC with 16GB. Just the amount of stutters/freezes while the swap file goes is insane
areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Maybe this is true if you use Windows. If you use Linux on your PC versus macOS on a MacBook you will probably find the PC performs comparably if not better.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Until you open a web browser or an Electron app. Them folks don’t really seem to give a shit about RAM usage.
HauntedCupcake@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Oh totally, Linux is in the same ballpark, if not better, as Macs when it comes to RAM usage. Windows is just a hog
echodot@feddit.uk 4 months ago
That’s probably all the telemetrics in Windows taking their toll.
tb_@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Does it?
Previous benchmarks have shown the 8 GB models seriously fell behind in performance.
echodot@feddit.uk 4 months ago
Yeah I think the joke just flew over your head.
Apple keeps saying that their RAM is somehow magic and therefore better than Windows RAM, which is a comment that obviously makes no sense.
barsquid@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I think they are able to share it with the GPU or something? It is maybe slightly better but it sure as fuck is not 2x better.
8 GB, even if it is “magic RAM,” is a joke amount and has been for a long time.
HauntedCupcake@lemmy.world 4 months ago
That’s just an APU, see consoles and laptops. The unified memory is basically just the above, but Apple also claims that due to Apple Silicon having the storage controller on board, the swap is magically faster 🤷
Also Mac OS/Linux use less RAM than Windows which certainly helps.
8GB is “fine™” on a MacBook Air, but it’s criminal for a Pro machine, and it certainly should not cost £200 for an extra 8GB. That’s genuinely insane pricing
cheddar@programming.dev 4 months ago
Yeah I think the joke just flew over your head.
I realize this should be a joke, but I am still unsure if it is.
HauntedCupcake@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It is 100% a joke. Literally other than Windows being slightly more RAM hungry, there’s no difference between it and Mac’s RAM
echodot@feddit.uk 4 months ago
Memory is memory. An application requires a lot of memory then it really doesn’t matter what speed that memory is it’s more important that there’s enough of it.
There are plenty of applications that could theoretically run on the M2 MacBook in terms of processing capacity but can’t run because there isn’t enough RAM available. Oh they run in switching mode, which is super bad, because a, it’s incredibly slow, and b, it’s bad for the hard drive.
T156@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Ironically, it’s the other way around, since Apple has to share their RAM between GPU and CPU, where other computers typically have them separately.
So in normal usage with 8 GB, you’re automatically down to 7, since at least 1GB would be taken by the graphics card. More if you’re doing anything reasonably graphics-heavy with it.
cryptix@discuss.tchncs.de 4 months ago
AI Models needs that RAM to load models.
cheddar@programming.dev 4 months ago
Is it like SI RAM vs US Customary RAM?
Hadriscus@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Yes. Freedom RAM equals approx. 1.6 metric RAMs. Unless your computer is on water, in which case it’s 1.857
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Is that calibrated against the Universal Prototype Kilobyte in Paris?
Hadriscus@lemm.ee 4 months ago
iirc that one is outdated as it’s 1024 bytes. They haven’t been able to shave off the extra 24 bytes
lengau@midwest.social 4 months ago
My Linux machine has 64 GiB of RAM, which is like 128 GiB of Mac RAM. It’s still not enough
areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Serious question what are you using all that RAM for? I am having a hard time justifying upgrading one of my laptops to 32 GiB, nevermind 64 GiB.
lengau@midwest.social 4 months ago
For me in particular I’m a software developer who works on developer tools, so I have a lot of tests running in VMs so I can test on different operating systems. I just finished running a test suite that used up over 50 gigs of RAM
InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Same, 48c/96t with 192gb ram.
make -j is fun, htop triggers epilepsy.
Few vms, but tons of Lxc containers, it’s like having 1 machine that runs 20 systems in parallel and really fast.
Have containers for dev, for browsing, for wine, the dream finally made manifest.
Mistic@lemmy.world 4 months ago
If games, modding uses a lot. It can go to the point of needing more than 32gb, but rarely so.
Usually, you’d want 64gb or more for things like video editing, 3d modeling, running simulations, LLMs, or virtual machines.
areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 4 months ago
I use Virtual Machines and run local LLMs. LLMs need VRAM rather than CPU RAM. You shouldn’t be doing it on a laptop without a serious NPU or GPU, if at all. I don’t know if I will be using VMs heavily on this machine or not, but that would be a good reason to have more RAM. Even so 32 GiB should be enough for a few VMs running concurrently.
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Photo Editing, Video Transcoding.
datelmd5sum@lemmy.world 4 months ago
k8s
tal@lemmy.today 4 months ago
Any memory that’s going unused by apps is going to be used by the OS for caching disk contents. That’s not as significant with SSD as with rotational drives, but it’s still providing a benefit, albeit one with diminishing returns as the size increases.
areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Outside of storage servers and ZFS no one is buying RAM specifically to use it as disk cache. You will also find that Windows laptops are also designed to be left in sleep rather than hibernate.