Unfortunately, they do not define it that way.
And there are exceptions based on capacity and how long you guarantee the battery capacity will be good for. IIRC, if it still has 70% capacity by 3 years time, it doesn’t have to be replaceable at all.
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FireWire400@lemmy.world 2 months agoAFAIK, the EU defines “user replaceable” as literally that; you open a hatch, pull the battery out and stick a new one in.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 2 months ago
FireWire400@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Can you really guarantee that? I mean, it’s pretty much dependent on individual usage.
sugartits@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Sure you can. Car manufacturers do it today.
You will have to define “3 years” as well. It can’t be a blanket 3 calendar year thing, it would have to be X number of cycles which the average user would realistically hit with 3 years of usage. Not someone glued to their phone playing games all day that need to charge three times a day.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Yup, probably one charge from 20% to 80% every day or something like that.
EddoWagt@feddit.nl 2 months ago
And there are exceptions based on capacity and how long you guarantee the battery capacity will be good for. IIRC, if it still has 70% capacity by 3 years time, it doesn’t have to be replaceable at all.
I do not remember reading that, the only exception I remember is for devices that are intended to be used under water, which phones are definitely not
Fishytricks@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Sounds really good to me!
Guadin@k.fe.derate.me 2 months ago
They'll make the replacement so expensive nobody will do it. And then there will be a new rule mandating it needs to be a reasonable price. Apple will say it's reasomable because it factors in environmental costs, and so the dance continues.
exu@feditown.com 2 months ago
Pretty sure the draft allowed “common tools” or specialised tools if they came in box.
nudnyekscentryk@szmer.info 2 months ago
Fuck, let’s hope they at least allow screws. Click-in latches are prone to breaking and wearing out
stoy@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Meh, most iPhones live in a case, it’ll be fine
Deceptichum@quokk.au 2 months ago
How many often are you planning on replacing the battery in your phone that it would wear out?
Sentient_Modem@lemm.ee 2 months ago
The ware would most likely come from someone that has a spare battery that is ready to go. Think of your phone burning 80% of the juice and you’re about to hop on a flight that you’re barely going to make (no time to charge). Slap that stand by battery in and off you go. That’s what I did with my old Nokia or blackberry back in the day. Oh and for my HTC aria.
kameecoding@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Sounds stupid, arent there charging ports on planes?
And other than plane where external battery is an issue, i just have a small brick that connect to my phone by the magnets on the back and wireless charges it, this is only really needed if you are doing something all day on the phone, like going around a city, taking pictures
aard@kyu.de 2 months ago
With my N900 I used to travel with 6 to 10 charged batteries to have a few days of runtime. Things got better now with powerbanks - but for something like hiking just carrying a few spares would still be smaller and lighter.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Honestly for hiking I’d suggest a power bank with solar charge capability. One thing to charge them all.
Piece_Maker@feddit.uk 2 months ago
The n900 was truly the best phone ever to exist and I’m deeply upset about it not having a modern equivalent
oldfart@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Every time I’m on a longer trip and want to replace a battery with a charged one? Every time I want to be offline but carry a phone for emergencies?
chaosCruiser@futurology.today 2 months ago
At the moment replacing the battery is pretty much out of the question, so I prefer to optimize my charging patterns so I never ever have to get the battery replaced. However, if replacing it was a realistic possibility I might abuse the battery much more. I might even leave my devices plugged in overnight.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Is it though? Batteries themselves are something like $20-60 (e.g. Pixel 8 battery for $43, ebay listing for <$20). The battery is honestly not that expensive, the expensive part is the labor because taking modern phones apart is a massive pain.
smokinliver@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
I have a Phone with a click-in latch and nothing wore our over the last 5 years
FireWire400@lemmy.world 2 months ago
They should do, although I can’t really imagine manufacturers incorporating plastic tabs into their sleek glass-metal sandwiches…
Walican132@lemmy.today 2 months ago
Yeah I don’t miss dripping a HTC phone and watching the pieces scatter.