Palestine is far more black and white than Ukraine. Unless committing Genocide in a concentration camp seems fine to you.
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Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
I am tired of these comparisions. The Ukraine war has a clear good and a clear bad side. The same cannot be said about the Israel/Palastine war. Both parties are equally shitty. There is just one side much more powerful so more capable to commit cruelties. The only clear good people here are the civillians suffering on both sides.
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 2 months ago
Okay, so Russia Invaded Ukraine. Russia is the Aggressor.
The Hamas attacked Israel, so Israel exterminates Palestine and claims it wants to exterminate the Hamas. The Hamas have committed Warcrimes and hides the self behind Civilians and the IDF does a whole lot of warcrimes too. Both sides are shirt, just the IDF has done a bit more shit than the Hamas. Theres no good side in this conflict. Both sides want to exterminate each other and sacrifice the Palestinian civilians for this.
I don’t know where you see a more black and white scheme in the middle east conflict than in the Ukraine war, but I’m willing to read your explanation.
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
You appear to forget 75 years of israel invading Palestine. And putting Palestinians in a concentration camp.
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 2 months ago
And 75 Years of the Hamas Attacking Israel. Israel has killed much more Palestinians that the other way around, but its still more complicated than The Ukraine war.
skozzii@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Dude they have been fighting for the whole time and for every bad thing Isreal has done Hamas has done one back.
Ever heard of the saying “and eye for an eye and the whole world is blind”. Well both sides are blind now.
The only correct take is that both sides suck and the palastenian people are the ones who suffer. To take a side in this conflict is uninformed, as both sides have way too much blood on their hands. This is very far from black and white and simple.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
75 years of history that quite literally nullifies it being black and white, because history, as well understood by historians, only makes things more clearly visible, obviously.
bartolomeo@suppo.fi 2 months ago
And helping Hamas get into power in order to
- destroy Palestinian unity
- squash secular, progressive, democratic leadership
- promote violence
If you want to see what happens when Palestinians cooperate with Israel, look at the West Bank:
jmsy@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Nothing about middle east conflicts is close to black and white. I’d recommend you read up on it.
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Imagine saying a literal Nazi style Genocide is not black and white.
jmsy@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Godwin’s Law strikes again. The sure sign that someone has run out of logic for an argument
Ibuthyr@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
Just stop. This conflict has been going on for ages and is so complex, people have to actually study this shit to even remotely understand it.
Russia just fucked Ukraine.
All of this aside, the comparison of the two headlines is just dumb. The left side was from 2023, right after it happened. This was the official statement back then. What should they have written instead? They even used quotation marks. Fucking hell.
volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Nothing about middle east conflicts
Spoken like a true racist, grouping up “middle east conflicts” as if it was a single entity.
Pretty easy actually, Palestinians were there living their lives and having a sense of nationality as Palestinians since the latter years of the Ottoman Empire. Zionists decided they didn’t care about that, decided they deserved their ancestral homeland, and western countries helped them militarily to relocate hundreds of thousands of people and murder tens of thousands on top. It’s almost quite literally that easy.
jmsy@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’m Iranian, and there’s no hope of going home any time soon. It’s perfectly acceptable to lump the middle east in that statement. Show me one conflict in that region that’s not black and white.
Freefall@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That isn’t how racism works…is racist turning into the left version of “woke”? His comment wasn’t even out of ignorance, that is what that area is referred to, and nothing about conflicts in that area (including the topic at hand) is black and white…
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Spoken like a true racist, grouping up “middle east conflicts” as if it was a single entity.
most people would do the same for general geographic regions though.
If it were a war between germany and france for example, it would be referred to as a “western” war. Russia vs China would be eastern for example.
Most of these wars are culturally related, especially in the middle east where they seem to have a particular style of warfare, it only seems fair to refer to it as “middle eastern” arguably, the only one that isn’t really doing this style of warfare here is israel. Though they clearly have reservations on morals.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
far more black and white? What in the ever living fuck are you talking about?
Ukraine was literally legally guaranteed that russia wouldn’t invade them, after taking their nuclear weapons. Russia LITERALLY broke this agreement. How much more black and white can you get than quite literally going against what you’ve said?
skozzii@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Care to explain it if it’s so simple? You have no idea what your talking about…
volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Simple:
The whole “so difficult conflict which goes so far back that it’s impossible to know who’s guilty at this point”, starts in the late 40s with the invasion of Palestinian land by Zionist settlers, and the violent displacement of 750.000+ locals.
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Freefall@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Holdup! The Israilies are trying to create the aryan race and kill all Jews? Man…it really IS complicated!
lostinfog@reddthat.com 2 months ago
You must be literal genius
Ibaudia@lemmy.world 2 months ago
A hospital full of civilians being bombed is bad regardless of the context. There’s no point in media outlets spinning shit like this. They’re just acting as propagandists for Israel by throwing softballs like this.
istanbullu@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
It’s the opposite. Israel/Palestine war has a clear evil side (Israel) and a clear victim (Palestine). Ukraine war is a complicated mess.
Freefall@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That is a wild and backwards take!
S_204@lemm.ee 2 months ago
So the victims are the ones who openly call for the death of an entire group of people? Their founding Charter literally calls for the elimination of Jews… and after they slaughtered the women and children in October they said they’ll do it again. They’re the victim to you? Interesting.
MintyFresh@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I know you’re getting down voted to hell but I agree. People are losing sight of just how shitty Hamas is. This is exactly what they wanted, they care even less about their own peoples lives, happy to use them as human shields. A hundred thousand martyrs. Fucking embarrassing to be human sometimes.
AgentDalePoopster@lemmy.world 2 months ago
No one is losing sight of that, they’re correctly making the point that there is no justification for bombing a hospital full of patients and that the justification the IDF gave has been found to be false.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The Ukraine war has a clear good and a clear bad side. The same cannot be said about the Israel/Palastine war.
It’s funny, because I’ve seen so many white nationalists assert the exact opposite.
lostinfog@reddthat.com 2 months ago
white nationalists assert
UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Seems like both articles should be horrified about a bombed hospital but maybe that’s just me.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
i would argue both articles should probably just be talking about how hospitals were bombed, rather than writing an entire diatribe on the emotional states of everyone involved.
But that’s just me, i like my reporting neutral.
lud@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Sure but one article is a breaking news type of article and one is about a bad thing that has already happened and now they are merely entering the hospital.
I dont know the specific of either event but is it possible that more people died in the Ukrainian hospital?
volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 2 months ago
No, it’s not. Al-Jazeera reports 2 deaths in the Ukrainian hospital, The Guardian reports 4. IDF reports 200 Palestinian casualties in Al-Shifa, Palestinian authorities report 400+.