Hamas hasn’t been around for 75 years.
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cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 2 months agoAnd 75 Years of the Hamas Attacking Israel. Israel has killed much more Palestinians that the other way around, but its still more complicated than The Ukraine war.
bartolomeo@suppo.fi 2 months ago
volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Ukraine has also been attacking russian troops since the beginning of the invasion, what’s your point?
Soleos@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That highlights the point precisely. Ukraine is targeting Russian troops, i.e. legitimate military targets. Hamas targets civilians and uses civilians as human shields. The IDF doesnt care how many civilians they have to go through to get to Hamas.
volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Ukraine is targeting Russian troops
They also started sending unmanned air vehicles with explosives to Russian infrastructure such as oil. Which I’m not against. Because they’re defending themselves against an invasion. As Palestine is doing. The situation of Palestinians is much, MUCH more dire than that of Ukrainians, so it’s only to be expected (not to be confused with justified) that their response is also more violent.
uses civilians as human shields
Sorry, but that’s strictly false, and propagating that shit is heinous. I’ll paste here what someone else said in the comments:
So this piece doesn’t source any evidence that it was used and ignores the literal fact that later investigations by Amnesty didn’t find credible evidence of use as a military base and the massive Israeli misinformation campaign on that front: …wikipedia.org/…/Alleged_military_use_of_al-Shifa….
But yeah let’s justify Israel bombing away access to medical care to people forced into a small, war torn area because fuck Palestinians I guess.
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 2 months ago
My point is, that in The current conflict the Hamas attacked first. Ukraine didnt.
volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Hamas attacked first
Palestinians was there before Israel was even conceived, and the first Nakba, in 1948, which marks the hard line of the invasion, in which 750k+ Palestinians were forcibly relocated, was started by Israel. History didn’t start on October 7th
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 2 months ago
That’s why I pointed out that the CURRENT conflict has been started by the Hamas. Israel may have started this conflict a long time ago, but the Palestinians also have their fair share of commiting warcrimes and violence against Israel.
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Ukraine attacked first after Russia invaded them.
See how stupid this sounds without the racism?
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 2 months ago
Bro wtf? I never said that colonizing Palestine is OK. I fucking told you that Israel is also commuting large amounts of warcrimes and is commuting genocide. I told you that both sides(Israel,Hamas) are fucking assholes that don’t care about the Palestinian people who are the biggest loosers of this conflict. Where the hell did I said something racist?
jj4211@lemmy.world 2 months ago
If Ukraine started a terror campaign against non-combatants, it would be a reasonable comparison. Problem is that while you can cite Hamas operations against military/police targets, we shouldn’t ignore the operations on non-combatants. Even as the IDF has done wrong, Hamas has done wrong in a similar way, albeit with fewer resources and thus to a lesser extent at this point.
It’s what I hate about the whole “one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter”, it likes to present even terroristic acts as morally relative according to context, but it’s just not the case.
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Hamas has not existed for 75 years. It is born as a resistance movement against Genocide.
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 2 months ago
Than let me formulate it in another way: 75 years of the Palestinian also attacking Israel.
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
75 years of Palestinians resisting colonization you mean right?
Zengen@lemmy.world 2 months ago
There was no nation of israel before Israel committed mass murder and near genocide on the Palestinian people. Then they shoved them into the concentration camp of Gaza. Made them.wear special green badges just like the Nazis made them wear the star of David arm bands. They make Palestinian people walk on the opposite side of the street in many places. They do not have the same rights to life liberty or property that Jews have. The Israelis were the first aggressors. And have continued almost 100 years of brutalization against the civilian people. The Israelis are no better than the Nazis that they fled from and in my opinion are not deserving of a nation of their own.