I wish the democrats didn’t force her, the candidate that was predicted to be weakest against Trump and the only one likely to lose, through the primary with every trick they could.
EatATaco@lemm.ee 5 days ago
But both sides are the same.
God damn it, i wish Clinton had won so bad. It would be the exact opposite and corporations wouldn’t be getting this free reign. Fuck.
pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml 5 days ago
EatATaco@lemm.ee 5 days ago
She demolished sanders in the primary. Get over it. The belief that she only won because of some dirty tricks or that sanders was screwed is just nonsense. I wish he had won, and i voted for him, but unfortunately reality tells a much different story. This belief he was screwed is no different than the belief that trump was screwed in 2020.
pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml 5 days ago
The delegates all predicated their votes to make it look like Hillary had already won before the elections even started
EatATaco@lemm.ee 5 days ago
So you are saying that millions of people were swayed by super delegates? It was extremely early, NH early, that people started getting pumped that sanders could win. The media hyped up the race despite it never being close.
It’s grasping at straws to claim that this is why she demolished him.
throbbing_banjo@lemmy.world 4 days ago
This is a deeply unpopular take but it’s the correct one. I caucusef for Bernie in both 2016 and 2020 and the amount of Hilary/Biden supporters to Bernie supporters in both respective years was dishearteningly high.
The only people who show up for primaries and caucuses are predominantly white, Christian heterosexuals of retirement age.
They’re absolutely fucking terrified of anything remotely approaching progressive policy and they’ll never, ever let us run anyone who doesn’t make them feel safe with all their old white money.
chuckleslord@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Yeah, the early primaries really do benefit establishment democrats, and it seemingly painted a damning picture for Bernie. I think if we had synchronized primaries, this benefit would be much smaller and Bernie would’ve had a significant shot.
Copernican@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Bernie was such a good surprise candidate, but that only happened because Warren didnt run. I wish she did. I think that was her time and would have avoided some of the criticisms (whether fair or unfairly thrown) at Bernie.
retrospectology@lemmy.world 4 days ago
It’s possible to defeat a popular progressive like sabders when you have the backing of the party establishment and their corporate media apparatus.
Clinton won her primary through voter suppression by the DNC and corporate, that doesn’t make her a better candidate. The General proved that.
If she “demolished” Sanders, and then lost to Donald Trump, that means Trump is therefore the “best” candidate. That’s your logic here.
EatATaco@lemm.ee 4 days ago
Clinton won her primary through voter suppression by the DNC and corporate
I’m sure you’ll be able to back this up with some facts.
If she “demolished” Sanders, and then lost to Donald Trump, that means Trump is therefore the “best” candidate. That’s your logic here.
At no point did i say she was the best candidate. I even explicitly said that i voted for Sanders, implying i thought he was the better choice. I’m just pointing out the reality that democratic voters overwhelmingly supported Clinton over Sanders.
njm1314@lemmy.world 5 days ago
The only one likely to lose? I think you have your facts confused on that one.
pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml 5 days ago
I don’t. She was predicted to be the weakest against Trump during the primaries.
njm1314@lemmy.world 5 days ago
You’re going to have to prove that. I want to see numbers.
retrospectology@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Clinton is super pro-corporate, what are you on about? She was unelectable and never should’ve run, she’s directly responsible for Trump.
EatATaco@lemm.ee 4 days ago
You think she would have nominated people like kagan or people like gorsuch? Did you see how these votes went down partisan lines? I see for your other responses to me that reality ain’t necessarily your thing, but just try to think about this rationally for a second.
That being said, if sanders had won the wh, his choices would have likely been even better.
FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 5 days ago
TBH with how Obama treated Netanyahu versus Trump admin backing single state solution: I bet the war on the Gaza Strip wouldn’t be happening, either. Not at the same scale, at least.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 days ago
God damn it, i wish Clinton had won so bad. It would be the exact opposite and corporations wouldn’t be getting this free reign. Fuck.
You forgot the \s
EatATaco@lemm.ee 5 days ago
Literally all of these have been a long ideological lines. Do you really think she would have appointed conservatives? Are "muh both sides"ers really this out of touch with reality?
FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 5 days ago
I wish Gore had won, every other headline wouldn’t be about the impending climate doom and what we’re not doing to stop it
Oh wait, he DID win and the fucking court stole it
marx2k@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Don’t forget that 3 of the current justices (Barrett, roberts, kavanaugh) were on bush’s legal team in 2000 Bush vs Gore
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 4 days ago
FL would’ve been a landslide and the courts wouldn’t have mattered if the greens voted for Gore.