I don’t think it’s about a craving for centralisation but for newcomers and people still learning the core ideas about decentralisation it’s about a promise of more active engagement and more varied content.
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Chocrates@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I feel like that is more or less to be expected. A ton of people found Lemmy during the reddit protests. Now that the protests are gone and Lemmy has had its growing pains some users are leaving, going back to reddit or other places. If we keep using it and making content users will grow organically.
Lemmy is having an identity crisis of sorts. It was built to be decentralized yet we (users) seem to want to centralize everything and we all go to a few of the largest instances.
requiem@lemmy.world 1 year ago
scytale@lemm.ee 1 year ago
And FOMO. New users gravitate towards the large instances because they think they will miss content, not knowing they can easily access said content on any instance as long as it hasn’t defederated from them.
qaz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m barely seeing any content at all, I often see a post click on the community and it shows either 2 other posts and nothing else or nothing at all. It constantly seems like the majority of posts just disappear into the void.
FuzzChef@feddit.de 1 year ago
Of course it’s not about centralisation per se, but the problems that a centralised platform does not have to deal with.
Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Lemmy is having an identity crisis of sorts. It was built to be decentralized yet we (users) seem to want to centralize everything and we all go to a few of the largest instances.
Because decentralization, at least as it is now, runs counter to what people are looking for in a social media platform; mainly discoverability.
bdonvr@thelemmy.club 1 year ago
Does it though? My instance has very little locally, but if I browse ‘All’ it really isn’t any different than being on any other instance, even a big one.
Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
You are only shown what your server has stored. Your server only stores what people of your instance have subscribed to. If you visit bogger instances, they all have different Hot feeds, because each server pulls different content. There is no one way to see what is going on in all of the fediverse. You are only ever shown a part.
bdonvr@thelemmy.club 1 year ago
Sure but above a certain user count, your instance will usually have at least one subscriber to just about every active community. (I may have used a bot to help this process…)
Savaran@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Subscribe to what you want to see?
lily33@lemm.ee 1 year ago
It’s not that users want to centralize everything. It’s that Lemmy’s design is such that there are advantages to centralizing.
- Joining the largest instance makes searching, joining, or opening communities much more seamless.This can be addressed by:
- Improving the search so that it can find communities, or even content, that no one on the instance has subscribed yet.
- Making it easier to open a community in your home instance.
- In addition to Sub/Local/All feed, you can have a “moderated” feed (with communities selected by admins). The “local” feed is most useful for instances on a specific topic. But for very small instances, it’ll be too empty at least at first. So a moderated feed can create an on-topic feed that’s more lively.
- For most topics, only the largest communities are large enough to have good content, so everyone wants to join them. To address this, you need some easy mechanism to subscribe to all communities on a topic. For example, we can let communities follow other communities. Then people can create topical meta-communities that aggregate content without centralizing it.
Khotetsu@lib.lgbt 1 year ago
This is the big one to me. It’s much more difficult to search for specific content if it’s isolated amongst communities on different servers, all trying to fill the same niche and splitting the potential userbase for said niche up between them.
If there was like a tag system in place that communities could use to tag themselves as being for a specific thing, like cooking, for example, and then you could aggregate/search posts from all communities under the cooking tag across all servers federated with yours, it would greatly simplify finding content for less tech literate users while also increasing the resilience of the entire network by allowing more communities for a specific niche to exist, which would prevent content loss if one server goes down without discoverability being an issue.
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 year ago
You also don’t have the content of Reddit. It doesn’t take too long to scroll through all top six hours and get to the single digits of upvotes.
bdonvr@thelemmy.club 1 year ago
Kinda cozy though, if you pay attention you kinda see who’s active.
Like you, only user on my instance who has more comments than me.
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 year ago
How do you think I got so much karma on Reddit?
bdonvr@thelemmy.club 1 year ago
If Lemmy gets significantly larger we gotta figure out how to make our own CC
Right now private communities aren’t really possible.
demesisx@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s hard to find instances that offer what world offers, so I get it.
OTOH, I ended up moving or handing over most of my communities that I had created on world because this instance is TOO popular and bogged down all the time. Plus, they make arbitrary and drastic decisions without discussion on matters like defederation and often banning. IT’s smart to go to a smaller instance but it’s also risky because any instance could go down at any moment. That’s why many of my communities are duplicated (across world and infosec) because it would be devastating to lose all of those quality links and engagement.
fraydabson@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
I think more people need to make communities they are interested in that might already exist on beehaw/lemmy.world/lemmy.ml/etc but on other instances. We really need to not keep everything on a few instances… I agree it contradicts itself. I tried by creating fallout but hard to get activity. Even its main community is quiet so that makes sense. I might try something a bit less niche.
someguy3@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
It’s that everyone wants to create the same community on different instances.
circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
I think there is a gap in understanding how Lemmy works and how it differs from reddit, in particular with the less technical crowd. We definitely don’t want people sharing giant instances, but that matches more with the sign up for reddit, use reddit logic many people are used to.
I think it’s also why we have seen such drama over Sync for Lemmy and its ads and pricing. To the techy crowd that was the majority of Lemmy users, that all seems antithetical to what Lemmy is and how it works. To the people who came to Lemmy from reddit, and especially those who may have tried out Lemmy because of Sync, the criticism sounds maddening because that’s the way it always worked on reddit.
So in some sense all of this is expected. Lemmy will lose some users, but maybe it will find an equilibrium. The key focus these days imho should be outreach about smaller instances, and outreach about donating to your instance (if you can) to keep it running.
SageWaterDragon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I like the idea of federated social media platforms conceptually, but ai absolutely want to make my home on the largest instances. That’s just an artifact of how I use social media, though, I always gravitate towards the busiest platforms because interacting with so many people is the real joy of it.
wasabi@feddit.de 1 year ago
Lemmy is having an identity crisis of sorts. It was built to be decentralized yet we (users) seem to want to centralize everything and we all go to a few of the largest instances.
Is that any different on Mastodon and other Fediverse projects?
callinean@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Same shit happened with the ‘temporary’ mass migration to Signal.
RxBrad@lemmings.world 1 year ago
Having recently jumped from the largest instance to a small unknown one, I will say that it’s nice not having to deal with downtimes roughly 20% of the time when I try to use Lemmy.
Cybermass@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I wish there was a way to migrate all my subscriptions, cause then I would probably change instances to ease the burden on my current instance.
Coelacanth@feddit.nu 1 year ago
There are ways! Have a look at these:
github.com/wescode/lemmy_migrate
github.com/CMahaff/lasim
ImInPhx@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
I haven’t tried it out but have been watching it. Looks like a great tool!
Lemmy Account Settings Instance Migrator
rubikcuber@feddit.uk 1 year ago
github.com/CMahaff/lasim
There are a few others, mostly command line scripts.
OverfedRaccoon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
LASIM can copy your current subs to another instance, as others have said. I wish there was a way to migrate posts/comments over. I guess you could just link to your old account in your bio though.
cucumberbob@programming.dev 1 year ago
I found this
flameguy21@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I appreciate World’s transparency but it’s been a lot nicer on lemm.ee for me. Not having a way to kill time when I need to isn’t the end of the world but definitely annoying.
infyrin@lemmy.world 1 year ago
“You broke Reddit!”
No, you broke yourself.
svahnen@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I have also recently moved and it makes me wonder, will users moving to other instances affect the graph?