Comment on Microsoft is blocking Windows Customization Tools

DdCno1@kbin.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• MajorHavoc@programming.dev ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  People who are modifying Windows this deeply are not going to switch to Linux

  Yeah. Not just to avoid a quick file rename.

  Although, I started out as someone who modified Windows that deeply, and I ended up on Linux.

  One of my reasons for switching was when my favorite Windows mod stopped working, and there was no recourse.

  This sounds like it goes beyond that and the Windows team is actively pushing modders out?

  I think this will have an effect, and we will get more migrations.

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  • quantumcog@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yep, Microsoft is also blocking some github scripts for disabling telemetry,etc. They are just making it worse for themselves

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    • SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s why you block the telemetry at the router level as a big fat fuck you.

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    • Kelly@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What do you mean?

      Are these scripts being distributed via github or disabling telemetry on github?

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      • quantumcog@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I mean PowerShell scripts used to disable telemetry services on Windows.

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  • vodka@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I switched when a Windows update for the third time in a month forcibly changed the default pdf and html file association to edge.

    That was like 5 years ago, and I’ve never looked back.

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• arf@lemmy.today ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Anyone could just as easily say:

  Windows does not compete with macOS as a desktop operating system and I doubt it ever will. It simply does not offer the compatibility and ease of use (including for power users) that macOS - for all its faults - has.

  Windows isn’t compatible with Final Cut Pro, has a lackluster implementation of Adobe Photoshop comparatively, and has no support for common cli shells such as bash or zsh (without creating an emulated subsystem ala Cygwin or WSL). Setting up a Windows desktop for my day-to-day tasks is a huge pain as opposed to macOS or a Linux-based desktop OS.

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  • HerzogVonWiesel@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You are right about some points, though what the original comment meant by compatibility is probably industry software.

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• hornedfiend@sopuli.xyz ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This comment is simply wrong. Linux doesn’t compete with Windows desktop because it’s already ahead of it.

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• Kusimulkku@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  People who are modifying Windows this deeply are not going to switch to Linux. If you’re going through this much trouble, you’ve already tried Linux several times and left disillusioned every time. Linux does not compete with Windows as a desktop operating system and I doubt it ever will. It simply does not offer the compatibility and ease of use (including for power users) that Windows - for all its faults - has.

  Well that’s a take

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  • wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I mean, go off about it not competing, that’s some BS. But Linux doesn’t offer the compatibility and ease of use that Windows has on a day to day basis. There’s not really any argument to be made there.

    Frustrating antipatterns, poor design decisions, poorly communicated reasons for functionality loss with updates (what this article is about), and settings requiring hoop jumping to touch aren’t unique to Windows and magically never present with Linux.

    Linux is amazing, neccessary, and I sincerely hope it continues to grow as a valid competitor eventually taking over, but it’s still really rough in a lot of areas as a power user.

    There are a handful of very user friendly distros for people who just need to do basic stuff on their computer and have it just work. Web browsing, document editing, even playing games that are just semi-popular (instead of only the most popular) all tend to work to a reasonable degree of “it just works” now.

    There’s also an amazing amount of customizability and power placed in the hands of the user if they’re willing to dig into the guts of it. Run your own customized kernel with the specific patches you want, re-code part of a driver to meet your needs. Build an entire distro from source code up, piece by piece, exactly to your wishes. Compatability layers between different desktop environments. Mess with your drivers. It’s all open to mess with.

    But what often gets left behind are people in the middle. I need a lot more than just basic functionality, and I have no fear about compiling stuff from code or making pull requests. I have the skills to make Linux work. What I don’t have is the time in my life to be digging in the guts regularly to get shit working on my computer, which is still far too often a requirement with Linux. Just look at discussions in the Linux communities here to see how absurd it can be to get a RDP or VNC client working, depending on your particular setup and graphics card.

    It’s like the difference between getting a Honda Civic and working on a project car. You might need to change a tire, brake pads, change the oil on the Civic. You don’t need to mess with engine valve timings.

    I really enjoy tinkering with Linux when I have the time, but most of my life I need my shit to just reliably work so I can get my shit done. I prefer my computer to be a tool far more than a project, and Linux is still too much of a project for a lot of people.

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• rottingleaf@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Linux does not compete with Windows as a desktop operating system and I doubt it ever will.

  Surely it doesn’t, the former is a good system, the latter is monopolistic shit supported by people with duckling syndrome and those who know no better.

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  • wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There’s a wide gulf between googlers and power users, and between power users and the “truly skilled”. I’m a Systems “Engineer” with nearly a decade experience in Tech Support, SysAdmin work, building custom system integrations/interop layers, and building custom automations.

    Got no problem doing deep troubleshooting, compiling from source, finding issues in open source code bases, fixing them, submitting pull requests, etc.

    Doesn’t mean I want to have to do all that regularly when I have other shit to get done.

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    • scaramobo@lemmynsfw.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Absolutely my experience too. Every once in a while I give Linux a chance on my personal desktop, only to find it working great… until it doesn’t for whatever reason and I’m left losing minutes to hours figuring out what and how it broke, browsing forums etc etc; usually to great frustration.

      I simply cannot afford that kind of nonsense for my work devices. I regularly do and have used macOS for work for the best part of the last two decades and have never, not once, found the system broken or in a state that I needed to fix things after updates. That OS just works. Always. Of course you’ll find weird stuff happening in the Apple user forums as well, but in my personal experience Mac OS is rock solid out of the box whereas Linux can be rock solid if you want to invest a lot of time in it. And for work, I cannot.

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      • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I don’t invest a lot of time into Linux. At home or at work.

        Windows at work is such PITA that even colleagues who are not very well with Linux prefer it for anything new.

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• Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I think a lot of people have a few killer apps that just don’t work on Linux even with WINE. Hell, I’ve heard that VR is not worth it on Linux.

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  • Kedly@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think this is the real answer for those that have the knowledge on how to switch but dont. Windows steadily eroding the ability to customize its user experience is actually a driving factor in why a lot of us are getting over our familiarity bias and laziness to switch to Linux

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• Kedly@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Dude, the fact I like I can customize windows is EXACTLY why I’m switching to linux now that Microsoft wants a piece of that apple pie

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• SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Power users are the exact people who would get the most benefit out of Linux, though. Speaking as one of them who got sick and tired of Windows’ bullshit. I’d argue Linux already very much competes with Windows, and has many advantages sourced from it being an open and not profit driven operating system.

  Finally do I have an operating system that actually tries to work with me to get what I want, rather than tries to obstruct me every part of the way because “it knows best” or whatever windows tries to do.

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• experbia@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  People who are modifying Windows this deeply are not going to switch to Linux

  I did. I was a heavy Windows customizer and deeply understand it as an operating system and target for application development. I left because, at some point, I realized the OS I (one way or another) paid for was treating me like a product instead of a user, and I resent that. I don’t like the feeling of slowly losing grip on the OS as it slides into becoming adtech tooling for marketing interests instead of the thing that runs programs for me. Despite my entrenched Windows knowledge, none of my primary personal computers run it anymore, including my gaming PC. Adaptation is a lot easier than most people expect, in my opinion.

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• jenny_ball@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  yup

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