Soullioness@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’m all for defederating Hexbear, but lemmy.ml is absolutely huge compared to Hexbear. To motivate the community to do that you’d need quite a bit of proof. Or at least something rather compelling. Do you have any proof of what you’re referring to?
ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
Hubi@feddit.de 6 months ago
This is less about the instance as a whole. The !worldnews@lemmy.ml mods are just notoriously terrible. It’s best to just avoid the community altogether.
MBM@lemmings.world 6 months ago
Instead of defederating all of lemmy.ml, just blocking that one comm could be a
Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Lmao I’ve also been banned by rimjob from World News over the stupidest shit. And yes, he did cite some bullshit even thought I was clearly within the rules and arguing in good faith. How dare someone stand their ground against Bruce Almighty from World News! Not surprised.
fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 6 months ago
I had a bunch of reasonable posts deleted from World News. I just blocked it but defederating would be way better because then we can rebuild a healthier news community somewhere else.
masquenox@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Yeah… at this point I find insufferable liberals that don’t understand the difference between tankies and fascists nauseating enough to ban you on sight, too.
Socsa@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Yeah that coat of red paint is definitely more stylish
masquenox@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I don’t know what you all are whining about - tankies are really just liberals who have given up on any pretense of being pro-democratic. After all… isn’t Lenin’s “state capitalism” just another way of preserving your precious status quo?
kbal@fedia.io 6 months ago
While I agree that hexbear generally sucks, they and I do at least have an enemy in common. That ban is not so undeserved as I was led to expect.
Klause@discuss.tchncs.de 6 months ago
Is your common enemy the people? because hexbear promotes authoritarianism and genocide denial.
kbal@fedia.io 6 months ago
Tankies say all kinds of stupid things, but even if we grant the thus-far unproven assumption that the person being addressed there is among them, when they're telling nazis to fuck off that is not an appropriate moment to try and start a pointless fight by asserting that they're wrong about every single thing.
Badeendje@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Asking for proof of what ia an open secret on lemmy seems disingenuous.
I think that instances like hexbear, lemmygrad, and lemmy.ml are very bad advocates for Lemmy and will most likely end up damaging it more than anything else, keeping the “normies” out.
They argue in Bad faith, say the most radical stuff they can think of, and purge anything bad said about totalitarian regimes they idolize. China, Russia, Iran, all considered victims of the evil west…
Stamets@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I was banned from lemmy.ml for posting a meme about the fact that gay characters are removed from movies. Not even by a mod. By an admin. I’m not remotely surprised they’re pro-shitheap in general
dandroid@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
There is an admin on lemmy.ml that seems to be banning anyone who says anything negative about China. If I’m thinking of the right person, they are also a large contributor to the Lemmy codebase. That person is why I stopped donating to the Lemmy devs.
lemann@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
This kind of stuff is making me consider stopping my donations to the Lemmy project, and instead donating to the Sublinks drop-in replacement developed by the programming.dev instance admins
Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 months ago
They love to dogpile as well. I’ve seen a couple of raiding threads linking to other threads making fun of whoever. But in reality they’re just directing people over there to shit on someone. At least, that’s what I saw last year, so I’m very distrusting of them.
That and the AMA thread where one admin was all buddy buddy with Hexabear users during their federation.
fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 6 months ago
I abandoned an old account because Hexbear bullies followed me around and downvoted everything. Come to think of it, I haven’t posted a single thing since then, and I had a bunch of posts with hundreds of votes.
Sootius@lemmy.world 6 months ago
This literally cannot be true, because hexbear accounts cannot downvote.
GBU_28@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Check my history, I called them out for the NATO one today and they threw all sorts of random shit at me that was off the central point, just looking for a mistake in my wording.
Eldritch@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Yep. They were claiming that Putin invaded Ukraine to stop fascists. And that they were liberators. I was like, why would one fascist care what other fascists do? In the US, our fascist, wealthy Republicans largely supported Hitler till pearl harbor. But I did agree with them that the Soviet Union absolutely liberated many countries against their will post WWII. And that those countries still hold it against them to this day.
The gulags were mentioned and they were like, but but but America jails more! To which I told them that was bad. But the West doesn’t kill millions of prisoners the way they did. And all for political dissent, reminding them of just two weeks ago when Putin had Navalny killed for political dissent.
The absurd thing is, I’m one hundred percent down for Marxism. And largely agree politically with his theory plus some modernization. So technically we would agree on a lot of things there. It’s just the Engles and Lenin bullshit I disagree with, and has shown to have failed. Or caused their downfall historically. But they are primarily leninists, dedicated ideologically to authoritarians and strongmen above all reality.
beardown@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Why does that mean they should be banned? Is speech that we agree with the only permitted speech?
Just because you think they’re wrong doesn’t mean they should be banned. Banning them makes it look like we’re afraid of people reading their points, which gives them power and credibility
appel@whiskers.bim.boats 6 months ago
How can you agree with Marx and not with Engels? Engels practically did a large chunk of the philosophical heavy lifting for Marxism.
ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
It’s totally reasonable to ask me to cite my reasoning.
Paragone@lemmy.world 6 months ago
IF lemmy.ml is admin’d by the Lemmy devs, themselves,
AND their ideology/prejudice is being obstructed by the Lemmy-verse,
THEN wouldn’t it be rational for them to engineer-in to Lemmy, itself, protections for their ideology?
Breaking the Fediverse’s ability to “manage” them?
or breaking the Fediverse’s ability to have any alternative-ideology be its core??
I’m thinking they could either adulterate privacy, deliberately, or they could force blocking to be porous, or something…
IOW, I’m thinking that it is strategically-incompetent to allow tankies to own our core tech, exactly as it is strategically-incompetent to allow right-wing highjackers-of-our-countries to do so.
?
Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
They could, but it’s open source software. People can just fork it and not follow along such self destructive paths.
Socsa@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Yes, but for example if everyone is running the mainline code, and .ml decides they are going to run a version which does not respect federation updates under certain conditions, they could quietly poison the entire fediverse by spoofing updates from other instances. It’s very obvious that they are already selectively federating their modlog, for example. And some other instances already play games with how votes get reported. There is a lot of trust baked into the federation updates, and nobody knows how to exploit that better than dessalines, who is clearly very interested in using the platform to push a specific ideology.
I am absolutely in favor of forking Lemmy to get this out of their hands, fwiw. Specifically for this reason. I think they’ve shown that they are not above poisoning the code base exactly like this.
matcha_addict@lemy.lol 6 months ago
I would like to see proof of how a community doing its own thing of sharing their radical views on their instance is damaging.
I haven’t seen any rampant behavior of lemmy.ml users going to other instances and dogpiling certain posts or comment section. That may be defederation worthy.
Badeendje@lemmy.world 6 months ago
The denial of having seen it yourself, is something I don’t believe. Therefore I don’t believe you made your reply in good faith.
Not all of lemmy.ml is a cesspool filled with poisonous cretins, but they (tankies) control the instance at conversational, moderation and administration level. So it will not change, only get worse.
Just like we see with the MAGAts… Once you start drinking your own coolaid… the sky is the limit.
matcha_addict@lemy.lol 6 months ago
If it’s so rampant that you find it unbelievable I haven’t seen it, then it must be very easy to prove. Can you please provide a proof?
It’s their instance. That’s not proper grounds for defederation in my opinion, when the damage is contained within their instance.