This is coming up because of the recent drowning, right? Is someone saying the driver was unable to escape because she was unable to open a back door? It would make sense of there was an issue with rescuers unable to break rear windows, but how is the inaccessibility of the internal rear door emergency open cord relevant to this case?
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 9 months ago
This is astroturfing.
The issue with Tesla has never been that the windows are hard to break. The issue is that the rear seats are electronic with manual override hidden in a camouflaged panel.
sxan@midwest.social 9 months ago
blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 9 months ago
… Astroturfing… For who? Lol.
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Someone important died drowning in a Tesla so it’s in the news. This story attempts to get the general population to think the problem is hard to break glass to deflect from Tesla’s design flaw.
Instead of, “Tesla has a serious design flaw that will trap passengers.” everyone is talking about, "all cars have hard to break windows.
It’s a strawman. No one has complained about hard to break glass windows. Emergency window hammers have been sold sunce the 1940’s. But people have been trying to bring Tesla’s unsafe doors to public attention.
I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Sheriff’s deputies even stood on top of it during the rescue efforts, trying to bust open a window.
I think it’s ok to let people know that the little window breaker doohickey they have stashed in their console for emergencies might not do shit if they have laminated windows (many newer cars).
There are lots of reasons this can be an issue outside of Tesla making shitty doors- a child or dog trapped in a hot car, an unresponsive/unconscious person, doors jammed during a crash and occupants are injured or unconscious.
If anything is being distracted from here, I think it’s probably that the woman may have been drunk. She was celebrating with old friends, it was after a late dinner. She was on a private road on an estate where it wouldn’t have been a crime to drink and drive. It’s easy to confuse forward and reverse in a Tesla, apparently, but she launched herself over an embankment and far enough into the middle of a pond that rescue workers didn’t have a long enough cable to reach the car. Most people don’t just floor it from the get go.
jj4211@lemmy.world 9 months ago
It’s one of the various factors.
The whole issue is that those window hammers went work as well with laminated windows, and now laminated windows are mandated. Maybe someone can point to data suggesting that the laminated windows are safer on average for some reason though.
Another is unintuitive door open versus emergency door open. First car I ever saw do that was a Corvette, and yes people have gotten trapped in those without knowing what to do either. At least older Tesla model got it right, the emergency open is opening it harder. Well except exterior handles not working on an emergency, which Cadillac lyric and mustang Mach e also get wrong.
Broadly speaking, also sticking all the features into touchscreen or capacitive touch is also a bad and industry wide trend, which Tesla is the poster child of taking it too far.
Also, early on cars were trying to figure out human factors of transmission, and safety problems caused “PRND” to be mandated. Now we had that actor killed by Chrysler’s fancy shifter, and Tesla also having a weird suffer that might have contributed to this accident.
Also you have the fact you had a pond near a car travel area with no fencing or guardrail. Another is the consequence of choosing to have a private 900 acre residence in a remote area and what that means for speed and quality of rescue attempts. So it’s not all about car design, but there are multi important factors to consider.
Also the thousands of non billionaire deaths we don’t specifically talk about have a lot to say about what we may do better
EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 9 months ago
The fact they couldn’t break the window to get to her is the main talking point ive heard?
blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 9 months ago
How is this not about Tesla still… It literally has Tesla in the title?
It’s stretch mate.
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Reporting “It’s not just Tesla, 1/3 of all cars have windows that are impossible to break” makes people think the problem with Tesla isn’t the doors and many cars have the same problem.
If it was news that someone important died because they shifted wrong in their Tesla a misleading news report would be, “It’s not just Tesla, Toyota has a touch screen too.” Which completely misleads the reader into thinking Toyota has the shifter on the Touchscreen.
Tesla is the only manufacturer that sells a car without easy access to emergency open rear doors.
Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Control the narrative. Rich woman died. Tesla marketing team going on defense.
You see this a lot every time a Tesla kills somebody.
Krauerking@lemy.lol 9 months ago
LOL those poor people who have to pump a bunch of disinformation through social media sites that contain potential buyers to help excuse their owner away from repercussions.
But also go fuck them, and the bastardization of the information era we are in because everyone has realized flooding the narrative with alternative and even wrong takes makes it impossible to sift through for the average person.
Socsa@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
So what you are saying is that maybe you should read the fucking manual before piloting a two ton death machine at highway speeds?
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 9 months ago
When you bought your car did you physically check to see how the rear seatbelts are operated or did you assume they were standard because of safety standards?
People buy products assuming the minimum standard of safety that has been there for 50 years is still there.
On the model X that was involved in the drowning, no one should be expected to read the user manual to find out the door open is a pull string behind the speaker grill.
Socsa@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
First of all, yes - I do believe that we should normalize knowing how to operate the safety systems in the cras we drive. It’s crazy to me that’s even controversial. I do actually read the manuals for all the cars I own.
But second, I think there is some confusion here. For the driver and front passenger, there is a clearly visible manual release on the door in the model X. It’s so prominent, most inexperienced users and guests believe it is the primary release The pull behind the speaker grill is the manual release for the rear seats.
masterspace@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
So you’re saying that the people who need to read the manual are the people in the back seat?
So you need to read the manual to drive a Tesla, but you also need to read the manual before riding in one?
Why are you defending an asininely unsafe design?
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
No, I think he was saying that Tesla are shittily designed. To RTFM or not to RTFM doesn’t matter much when emergency equipment and controls are not easily accessible in an emergency
arin@lemmy.world 9 months ago
If you’re underwater you’re not gonna be able to open the doors without breaking the window unless there’s an explosive. But partially submerged when 20% of the door is still above water then yes it should be possible to still open the door
p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 months ago
Partially submerged, the door would be very hard to open, due to water pressure. The water pressure needs to fully equalized between the inside and outside of the car.
Did we learn nothing from Mythbusters?
Hule@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I thought we were talking about manual override to pull the window down…
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 9 months ago
As Mythbusters proved, you wait until the car is almost full of water, and then open the door.
Maggoty@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Not quite. There is a period where water pressure hasn’t built up enough to stop you. They were specifically testing pressure equalization, not that you should wait as a first course of action.