Comment on Imagine everything humans could accomplish if we were not a commerce based civilization.

algorithmae@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• distantsounds@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I suppose not much has changed then

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• lone_faerie@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The majority of people would likely be are feudal peasants, working under a warmonger family that owns the sustaining land by force. No upward mobility except through bloodshed.

  FTFY

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  • joelfromaus@aussie.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    No you don’t understand, this 9-to-5 job that’s slowly but surely wearing me down is just a stepping stone to my millions of $$. That’s why I keep voting for tax breaks for the rich; because I’ve just been temporarily down on my luck for 30 years. /s

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  • algorithmae@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    No, if you’re lucky, clever enough, overwork yourself, or manipulate others you can live a somewhat comfortable life. Those methods don’t require taking a life.

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    • lone_faerie@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      overwork yourself

      comfortable life

      Make it make sense

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      • algorithmae@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Comfortable as in “you have a heated living space, food on the table, and security.” Don’t be dense.

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• Nomad@infosec.pub ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Capitalism optimizes for efficiency. Sadly slavery is terribly efficient in terms of economics. Therefore capitalism needs to be capped by society at certain acceptable limits. Which is called socioeconomics and its not perfect but the best system we have. insert handwavy remark about whatever america is doing here

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  • umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    the problem with this is that we depend on the capitalist overlords to keep their pinky promise of not fucking with our rights.

    right now they are breaking it again because they can

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  • intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Capitalism is based on free exchange and wage labor. Unless a slave has volunteered to be a slave, using a slave is not “free exchange”.

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• pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  That’s literally how it is now

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  • intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    When you lack the imagination to think about how it could be worse, you can still get the detailed descriptions of it from history.

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    • pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      And yet no one cares because this is what we’re dealing with now

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      • intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        No, you are not dealing with the life of a feudal peasant. Just stop

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• FireRetardant@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Thats still in a sense a commerce based system. The only reason that warlord fights for that land is because it has value, be it food, a cash crop, a strategic location.

  Warlords hoarded land and power in similar ways billionaires hoard money and power.

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• KidnappedByKitties@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Capitalism optimises for concentrating resources.

  Dividends, return on investment, profits, etc. are all inefficiencies in the production of value, and require more resources, labor, and suffering per unit of value than for example a circular economy.

  But it does concentrate wealth efficiently, which in turn gives access to enough resources to start larger ventures.

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• DessertStorms@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The majority of people would likely be feudal peasants minimum wage workers, working under a warmonger family that owns the sustaining land by force. No upward mobility except through bloodshed.

  I didn't even need to change as much as I thought I did, this is literally reality under capitalism.

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