So, there is a part where he’s an executive producer and may have ignored warnings regarding safety.
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nudnyekscentryk@szmer.info 8 months ago
Wait he was handed live gun, which was supposed to fire blanks and yet it’s him getting charged and not the propmaster. what the fuck? what am I missing?
tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 8 months ago
nudnyekscentryk@szmer.info 8 months ago
Anything to a Wikipedia article on the incident it was the armorer that had previous experience with accidental discharges of firearms and I guess it’s the mere point of their presence during filming to make sure all guns are handled safely. Their job was to hand a safe gun to the actor, they didn’t do it and a person died. I don’t fucking see one reason to charge the actor, regardless of whether they happen to be a producer or not, and not charge the person actually responsible for the accident.
Maeve@kbin.social 8 months ago
He was the armorer’s boss, and the producer, so it was his job to make sure everything was as required. He failed his responsibilities, someone died. It’s pretty simple.
RandomStickman@kbin.social 8 months ago
It's maddening the amount of people deflecting responsibility off of him. If a workplace safety incident happened, and the boss has cultivated the lax culture against safety AND is involved with said incident, but he's not responsible? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
fidodo@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It’s not that simple because there were a lot of producers and we don’t know what his involvement in her hiring was. A producer can do anything from practically everything to literally nothing.
fidodo@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I think it would be fair to charge him with reckless endangerment if he was involved with her hiring and there were clear red flags, but producers have extremely varied roles and I don’t know what his personal involvement was.
synae@lemmy.sdf.org 8 months ago
Clear red flags, you say? latimes.com/…/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walke…
mp3@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
The armorer trial was pushed back to Feb. 21 of this year.
Altofaltception@lemmy.world 8 months ago
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_shooting_incident
The scene involved Baldwin’s character removing a gun from its holster and pointing it toward the camera. The trio behind the monitor were two feet (0.6 m) from the muzzle of the firearm and none of them were wearing protective gear such as noise-canceling headphones or safety goggles.
The trio behind the monitor began repositioning the camera to remove a shadow, and Baldwin began explaining to the crew how he planned to draw the firearm. He said, “So, I guess I’m gonna take this out, pull it, and go, ‘Bang!’” When he removed it from the holster, the revolver discharged a single time.
Halls was quoted by his attorney Lisa Torraco as saying that Baldwin did not pull the trigger, and that Baldwin’s finger was never within the trigger guard during the incident.
This would be David Halls, the assistant director.
lud@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Since when is noise-canceling headphones protective gear, lol?!
sparr@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Since… about a decade ago? Noise cancellation/reduction has been an available feature in earmuffs marketed to firearms users for a while now.
nudnyekscentryk@szmer.info 8 months ago
It has to be someone’s job to make sure guns on set are safe
mp3@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Of course the armorer’s job, but safety comes in layers. It’s in a way everyone’s job to apply basic precautions, especially when you’re handling one.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Ok but you have an expert saying “this gun will fire blanks when you pull the trigger, I loaded them, nobody else can touch the gun except me and you under my supervision. When the camera starts rolling in a bit you’re going to point it at that person and fire the blanks in accordance with the script. After the scene ends you hand the gun back to me because nobody else is allowed to touch it”
That’s how movies involving firearms work. If he was following industry and legal standards then he shouldn’t be held responsible as the actor. Maybe the standards need to be changed. Maybe he needs to be held accountable as the producer who hired the armorer. But there needs to be a mens rea for it to be a crime and it needs to be a criminal negligence that we would hold others accountable for if they engage in it without tragedy.
Altofaltception@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The scene they were filming involved him pointing the gun at the camera. The person who got shot was standing behind the camera.
Alec Baldwin claims he did not pull the trigger, and this was corroborated by the assistant director on set.
nudnyekscentryk@szmer.info 8 months ago
Exactly. Safety comes in layers and therefore assistant producer David Halls was supposed to double check the gun after the armorer prepared it. He failed at it, the armorer failed at their job and it’s theirs and only theirs fault.
cmbabul@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yeah I don’t think anyone reasonable thinks Baldwin purposefully shot that person, it was a tragic accident that was preventable at a lot of levels and while I don’t think he would be culpable were he not producing the film and merely acting in it, the fact is he is because he was
Altofaltception@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Public scapegoat.
Maeve@kbin.social 8 months ago
Even if that’s true, Alec bears legal responsibility. I’m left of USA “left,” so it’s not like I am wrongfully projecting unwarranted culpability onto Alec. I’ve no problems with anything I recall him saying. I understand the emotions that may be driving Alec’s refuseal to accept legal and moral responsibility. It still doesn’t make him less responsible, legally or ethically.
PopcornTin@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It’s all so ridiculous. Alec has made so many statements damning his own case. Like that he didn’t know anyone was hurt until police showed up and told him like 45 minutes after. So what, he does his scene, walks off nine the wiser? Maybe she was killed instantly and didn’t scream, but the other guy that was shot and didn’t lose consciousness. Surely he had something to say when it happened. Nope, Alec is so innocent, he didn’t pull the trigger, didn’t know it fired, didn’t know anyone was hurt.
Godric@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You’re hopefully missing someone on set, unlike Baldwin
rtxn@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It’s never as simple as you think.
Analysis of the events and circumstances, and commentary by a lawyer: www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXmAeMQCvZQ
takeda@lemmy.world 8 months ago
He says that Baldwin is unlikely charged for firing the gun but more likely for being a producer who failed to ensure that the set is safe.
The thing is that he right now is being charged for firing the gun not for falling as a producer, that’s why it seems pretty weird like they are really trying to sack him for some reason.
PopcornTin@lemmy.world 8 months ago
When you fire a gun, and it hits someone, you can’t be that surprised when you are charged with that.
jballs@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I love me some Legal Eagle, but this video is 2 years old and at the beginning he says they don’t have the full facts yet and everything is speculative since they don’t know what happened. I’m wondering if there’s anything more recent with more info about what actually happened.
aksdb@feddit.de 8 months ago
Legal Eagle? Let’s french this up a bit and call him L’Eagle.