And yet they were perfectly okay with providing the service for free while they were still busy starving off the competition. No tears for Google shall be shed here.
Comment on YouTube is slowing down for users with ad blockers in new wave
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yes. You people just cost money. Pay, or find anybody service. I’m not so sure what’s confusing about this.
Google isn’t going to use the service for free anymore.
TheEntity@kbin.social 8 months ago
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 8 months ago
What? They are exactly a billion video and comment streaming platforms.
And I’m not telling you to have years for Google. I’m highlighting that the free ride is over. Pay or use a different service.
Rooki@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Please tell google then, if we allow ads, then dont shoot at us 10 unskippable ads.
1 ad per video < 10 minutes. 2 ads per video > 10 < 20. 4 ads per video > 20 +2 ads per extra 10 minutes
Ads maximum length of 30 seconds. Ads should be monitored for anything illegal or harmfull for the viewer ( Scams, Malicious websites … )
If google chose to do this instead of every minutes 2 unskippable ads ( or soon 5 ) i would think, there would be less adblock users on youtube. And with that you support more your favorite creator ( if you want to really support him, just give him some bucks on patreon or so ). Or just suggest him to go to any other video hosting website ( like peertube ) then users will have 0 ads and you can get support over donations.
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 8 months ago
None of any of that matters.
If you don’t like it you can move along. That’s what is being said.
TheEntity@kbin.social 8 months ago
We can simultaneously move along and criticize their decisions as exploitative double-dipping on their users. Criticizing them thankfully doesn't require a subscription, or even an account.
Rooki@lemmy.world 8 months ago
In a nutshell a ad blocker is just a form of protest.
nicetriangle@kbin.social 8 months ago
They had premium light which gave you just a no ad experience and nothing else for about $7/mo. Totally reasonable, I was happy to pay it. Then right at the same time they started going nuclear on ad blocking, they killed that plan and forced everyone to move to a plan that costs about 70% more and added a bunch of stuff I didn't ask for and will never use. They had those added services available already prior to that change. If I had wanted them I'd already be subscribing. This was just a greedy cash grab.
They'll just keep jacking the price up and decreasing the quality of service and mining your data and annoying you with ads and algorithmic bullshit just up until they can't anymore and it stops being optimally profitable. A lot of people will just put up with it, but they lost me as a customer.
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Correct. Also irrelevant. All of it.
nicetriangle@kbin.social 8 months ago
It is honestly embarrassing as shit spending 3 hours of your time on a weekend arguing with like a dozen people in defense of one of the highest market cap megacorps in the world. Get a hobby dude.
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I assure you it’s been like 30m of time between shits. If you are angry enough to be checking the history at least get it right.
Aielman15@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Google is already making millions by profiling its users and stealing their data. All these YT changes are not caused by them losing money, but by them not growing enough to please their (multi-millionaires) investors.
(1) I’m not shedding any tears for a corporation that’s big enough to have more money that I’ll ever see in ten lifetimes.
(2) I’m not paying for a “Premium” experience to allow them to keep profiling me (and thus gain more money). They are already gaining money off me, they don’t need my premium subscription.
(3) You should stop arguing in favour of exploitative big corporations that don’t even know you and are probably actively exploiting in this very moment.
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 8 months ago
What does any of that have to with what I said? Great, you don’t like yt, good for you. Who is asking you to shed a tear?
YT doesn’t want freeloaders. Pay up, see ads, or play cat and mouse avoiding them.
Aielman15@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’m not a freeloader because Google is already making a profit off me by profiling me. They are just being greedy and asking for more. If you are happy donating your hard-earned money to the trillion-dollars corporation that’s exploiting you, good for you. I am a sane individual and I’d rather put that money to good use. In fact, by donating to the WWF, I’m spending less money yearly than a YT premium subscriber, and I’m making someone happy that deserves it more than Google’s sleazy investors.
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 8 months ago
So you go into restaurants and demand half priced food? The price is the price. Pay it out deal with Google making your videos slow. I’m really not sure how all of you are turning this a value thing. It’s utterly irrelevant.
ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Is your “you people” targeted at the ones using Adblock?
If so, here’s another approach; If YouTube actually had a decent ‘premium’ without all the unnecessary “features” in it and the price wasn’t so unreasonable high. People might have paid for it.
In my country YouTube Premium costs €12/monthly which is €144/yearly and for what? Unnecessary features and to block advertisements while still having in-video advertisements (sponsors). No thank you.
I will go with uBlock Origin and Sponsorblock.
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 8 months ago
People love premium. Let’s not confuse you and lemmys average user with the general public.
$18 a month for family streaming + music is a bargain.
Also, that’s all great that you use tools to get around it. My point is stop bitching about it or acting like Google is evil for blocking people who refuse to pay 🤷♂️
HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 8 months ago
$18 a month for family streaming + music is a bargain.
Wow your brain really has been taken hostage hasn’t it?
YouTube is a terrible music platform.
YouTube videos aren’t worth that much to me.
If I’m paying for streaming video content, I prefer to pay the creators directly than let YouTube take an outsize cut.
YouTube has hundreds of times the reach of any other comparable service. They’re milking their monopoly. They can bite a dick.
Remmock@kbin.social 8 months ago
But you don’t pay them directly. Hardly anybody does, except YouTube and whatever midroll sponsor they can hack a deal with. That’s WHY content creators insisted on paydays through YouTube to begin with and why YouTube is trying to make enough money to pay them all and look profitable.
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 8 months ago
👌👍🤣
ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
I’d agree that people love the tag-name ‘’Premium’’ therefore might pay for it. I’d also say tech-illiterate people will pay for it because of no knowledge.
However most of the general public do find the price-tag absurd.
Also your ‘’€18/monthly is a bargain’’ just makes me think, I’m arguing with a teenager or at least someone who does not pay for themselves (a friend or family member pays for most of things, I suppose). €18/monthly is €216/yearly, that money can be spent elsewhere, important things (food, education and bills).
Not only that you are essentially saying ‘’Hey, Google. You the one who already owns most of the things, you the owner who’s already A billionaire and have immense data of its users – take more money of me’’. Google is essentially evil in the sense that their track-record isn’t clean. Their ways to gain profit/revenue is not really morally nor ethically right. They can just do it because they are one of the biggest companies in the world.
I personally do not care if YouTube blocks itself for me, that just means – I will find another way to gain access to music and videos. There will always be ways, always.
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I love how people who disagree with your value assessment are all technology illiterate. Just hand wave away all your problems 🤣.
You’re arguing with a 40 year old with commits to Apache, Python, CNCF, NGinx, TF, and more. So again, your hand waving away because of a different opinion is quite off base.
Remmock@kbin.social 8 months ago
I don’t generally agree with the corporate side of the argument, but financial support for the platform itself has to come from somewhere.
HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Thank you for your concern, but I have other ways of avoiding YouTube’s ads and associated punishments.
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Neat. None of you really understand the point or can read.
Don’t expect YouTube to cater to you people who just steal 🤷♂️
Whats so complicated?
ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
It is sad that it took me so long but you’re a troll. 100%.
You are a fine example of a troll. Well played.
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 8 months ago
👌👍 it’s amazing to me how many people can’t read and have turned this into a complicated and personal thing
eltrain123@lemmy.world 8 months ago
If google stops strip mining my data when I pay for their service, I’d do it in a heartbeat. I’m not going to pay to be someone’s product.
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Then don’t be shocked when they start putting up walls. It’s shocking to me how many people take this as some kind of right and act indignant and make up every excuse under the sun to justify why YouTube should cater to pirates 🤣
nicetriangle@kbin.social 8 months ago
Ad blocking is not piracy. That's like saying that muting ads on broadcast TV is piracy. Get the boot out of your mouth.
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You are very much stealing the right to distribution and revenue for creators as well as YouTube.
It’s amazing to see folks still try this tired argument.
DemSpud@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Adblocking isn’t piracy though…
camelbeard@lemmy.world 8 months ago
“If buying isn’t owning, piracy isn’t stealing”
TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 8 months ago
I bet you think "right click, inspect, delete <element>" is piracy too.
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 8 months ago
If you’re breaking the terms of service to access the service for free absolutely. People have a right to distribute their content as they see fit within the confines of the law. You’re stealing that right. You’d all lose your shit if companies just started ignoring GPL and you all certainly would be calling it theft.
takeda@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Oh, go ahead and let them place YouTube behind the paywall. We need some new players in this area.
I’m the product in the current YouTube business model, why should I care about their profits?
Also I promise I won’t be whining if YouTube shuts down. I will be celebrating. For now, as they hold monopoly, I will watch them however I wish and help anyone else do the same.
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I never said you should care 🤷♂️
I said you shouldn’t be shocked when freeloaders continue to be locked down.
eskimofry@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Lol jokes on you. They wouldn’t dare make it completely paywalled.
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 8 months ago
👌