I think the real crime is vehicular manslaughter, especially the SECOND one.
samus7070@programming.dev 6 months ago
The real crime is marketing the driver assist capability under the name autopilot when it is anything but that.
dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
raptir@lemdro.id 6 months ago
Do we need to go through what autopilot in a plane or boat actually does again?
PatFussy@lemm.ee 6 months ago
kool_newt@lemm.ee 6 months ago
It doesn’t matter, Tesla cars are marketed to the public which isn’t expected to know these things. To probably 90% of people “autopilot” means “drive automatically”.
CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 6 months ago
To probably 90% of people “autopilot” means “drive automatically”.
Based on what?
kool_newt@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Based on my usage and understanding of the word being a lay person.
I’m an engineer myself, sometimes there are words that you have to be cognizant of the differences in meaning to other engineers vs lay people or even engineers in other fields. Some words are heavily overloaded, and “autopilot” is kinda one of them (others being “domain”, “node”, “artificial intelligence”, etc.).
poopkins@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Tesla markets this feature as “Full Self-Driving Capability.” Maybe I’m poorly informed, but to me that means that the car is fully capable of driving itself without human interaction.
dexa_scantron@lemmy.world 6 months ago
If we do, then they shouldn’t have picked a name that most people think does something it doesn’t.
RushingSquirrel@lemm.ee 6 months ago
When you drive a Tesla, it’s pretty clear what autopilot is. The name is a marketing term, you can’t engage it everywhere and anytime, you’ve got to keep your hands on the wheel or it disables itself, won’t stop at stop signs and red lights, won’t do line changes, etc.
doublejay1999@lemmy.world 6 months ago
What does full self driving mean ?
CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 6 months ago
Full Self Driving and Autopilot are two totally separate systems.
fiah@discuss.tchncs.de 6 months ago
do we need to go through the differences in training, aptitude and intelligence between pilots, captains and your neighbor Greg again? Marketing it as “autopilot” to anyone who can sign a car loan is reckless and has killed people and will continue to kill people until they stop
CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 6 months ago
Yep, just like “cruise control” made tons of people drive their car into the ocean thinking they could sail it to popular island destinations.
merc@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Depends entirely on the type of autopilot.
Neato@kbin.social 6 months ago
Tesla should be playing wrongful death suits every time autopilot kills someone. Their excuses don't excuse the blatant marketing that leads people to believe it's a self driving car.
800XL@lemmy.world 6 months ago
But you see that wasn’t the vehicle’s fault. It’s been programmed perfectly. What happened was the fault of the pedestrians and driver for not properly predicting what the car would do.
maybe /s maybe not.
Goferking0@ttrpg.network 6 months ago
no you see the issue is that the auto pilot stopped right before the accident so obviously it was entirely drivers fault, please don’t check how much time was between it stopping and the accident
Fox@pawb.social 6 months ago
It’s a common misunderstanding that an autopilot system in an airplane does everything or even a lot of things. The most basic ones keep the wings level and nothing else. Of course Tesla is probably counting on that too sell this feature, but actual pilots using any kind of autopilot are still on the hook to pay attention 100% of the time.
menemen@lemmy.world 6 months ago
In an airplane that is fine as pilots are specifically trained on the planes they fly (at least in theory). No one gets a special course in how to drive a specific (non industrial) car…
iamtherealwalrus@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Way to ignore the death of two people, and hijack the discussion for your own opinions. Good job /s
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Oh no, it’s even worse than that.
It’s the CEO and other staff repeatedly speaking of the system as if it’s basically fully capable and it’s only for legal reasons why a driver is even required. Even saying that the car could drive from one side of the US to the other without driver interaction (only to not actually do that, of course).
It’s the company never correcting people when they call it a self driving system.
It’s the company saying they’re ready for autonomous taxis and saying owner’s cars will make money for them while they aren’t driving it.
It’s calling their software subscription Full Self Driving
It’s honestly staggering to me that they’re able to get away with this shit.
meleecrits@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I love my Model 3, but everything you said is spot on. Autopilot is a great driver assist, but it is nowhere near autonomous driving. I was using it on the highway and was passing a truck on the left. The road veered left and the truck did as well, keeping in its lane the entire time. The car interpreted this as the truck merging over into my lane and slammed the brakes. Fortunately, I was able to figure out what went wrong and quickly accelerated myself so as to not become a hazard to the cars behind me.
Using Autopilot as anything more than a nice dynamic cruise control setting is putting your life, and other lives, in danger.
Neato@kbin.social 6 months ago
Holy shit. My car doing that once and I'd be a nervous wreck just thinking about using it again.
Wrench@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I give teslas more room because I have been brake checked by them on empty roads before. These ghost brake problems are prevalent.
snooggums@kbin.social 6 months ago
I have had the adaptive cruise control brake on multiple Hondas and Subarus in similar situations. Not like slamming on the brakes, but firm enough to confuse the hell out of me.
Every time it was confusing and now I just don't use it if the road is anything but open and clear.
KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 6 months ago
i barely trust the lane-keeping assistant in my friend’s car. imagine going 70+km/h and suddenly the car decides to jerk the steering to the left/right because you weren’t exactly in the middle of your lane.
fuck modern assistants IMO. i can use the steering wheel just fine, and peiple have been able to for a hundred years.
burliman@lemm.ee 6 months ago
That’s the bar that automatic driving has. It messes up once and you never trust it again and the news spins the failure far and wide.
Your uncle doing the same thing just triggers you to yell at him, the guy behind him flips you off, he apologizes, you’re nervous for a while, and you continue your road trip. Even if he killed someone we would blame the one uncle, or some may blame his entire class at worst. But we would not say that no human should drive again until it is fixed like we do with automated cars.
I do get the difference between those, and I do think that they should try to make automated drivers better, but we can at least agree about that premise: automated cars have a seriously unreasonable bar to maintain. Maybe that’s fair, and we will never accept anything but perfect, but then we may never have automated cars. And as someone who drives with humans every day, that makes me very sad.
Alchemy@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Your cars actions could kill someone.
Speculater@lemmy.world 6 months ago
That’s only a $11.5k fine though.
Damage@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
Something like that happened to me while using adaptive cruise control on a rental Jeep Renegade, it slammed the brakes twice on the highway but for no clear reason. I deactivated it before it tried a third one.
NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Even dynamic cruise control must never do such dangerous mistakes!
You should claim that they fix this on warranty, and they should prove that this is never going to happen again.
LordKitsuna@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Almost all of them do it, the one most fresh in my mind is the Prius because my work uses them as base cards so I drive them a lot. If the highway curves kind of hard to either the left or the right sometimes it will panic and think you’re about to hit the car in the lane next to you because they’re technically in front of you and so it will try to brake.
Thankfully there is an option to turn off the automatic braking it will just start screaming instead
LordKitsuna@lemmy.world 6 months ago
The auto cruise on the Priuses at work do this a lot. If the freeway curves to the left or something it will panic and think I’m about to hit the cars in the lane next to me also going through the Curve