Proton’s feature set is very limited and development is incredibly slow, especially for Linux, but I do believe they’re committed to privacy and they do have a whole suite of products now under a single, very reasonably-priced subscription.
Geek_King@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I recently switched my email from gmail to proton mail, because fuck google’s… well… everything. Glad to hear that Proton Mail keeps fighting for privacy!
helenslunch@feddit.nl 6 months ago
EatYouWell@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It’s only slow for Linux because they can’t find Linux devs. If you know any, tell them to apply.
helenslunch@feddit.nl 6 months ago
I dont believe that for a second. It’s slow because, like most things Linux, almost nobody used it.
However, it is undoubtedly the most private and secure desktop OS.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 6 months ago
What part of Proton’s feature set is limited and compared to what other service? You can do a whole lot more with proton than with Gmail for example.
FoD@startrek.website 6 months ago
Couldn’t forward emails until about a month ago.
Their drive app backs up only the computer it’s on and other computers can access that backup. It’s like a sectioned off part. Or I can upload files that any of my devices can access.
Their calendar has some problems with compatibility of run into and it’s things that the person on either side can’t change. Not world ending but it’s really annoying.
They literally just added the ability to automatically add holidays to the calendar. And of course I had set it up about a month prior so I manually entered everything.
The proton drive app for your phone doesn’t automatically back up anything.
I’m not shitting on proton because I’m an active proton unlimited subscriber and I use a bunch of their services, but I also recognize the flaws and how it’s not as seamless as Google yet, which I don’t expect it to be.
I also wish they had some better Linux support in preaching to the choir with that.
Love their vpn and the netshield features. Email works great and I love knowing I can read an email and automatically have trackers blocked. Aliases are great but I use their simple login site free with my proton subscription too. So my point is I like them lots, but it’s not a complete Google replacement yet.
reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Couldn’t forward emails until about a month ago.
wow, that in particular seems like a minimum viable product feature
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Oh ok I was just referring to the email part. You are right that their non-email offerings do leave a lot to be desired. I’ve found that downloading files from Proton Drive as small as 3GB is almost impossible, because their download rate is atrocious and on iOS if you don’t keep the screen active during the download it’ll just stop with no way to resume later.
RecallMadness@lemmy.nz 6 months ago
Their calendar, contacts and bridge don’t support CalDAV/CardDAV, so you can’t synchronise them anywhere.
The iOS app doesn’t synchronise contacts or calendars either. There’s a one way “upload to proton”, but not the most helpful.
The public holidays only include some countries (not mine).
Their VPN is terrible with 20% packet loss, despite sitting in the same data center as other VPN providers without that issue.
But, still not google, and their mail app is better on iOS than fastmail.
helenslunch@feddit.nl 6 months ago
I mean…that’s a long list, my guy.
Gmail client, no, but I have my (work) Gmail connected to Shortwave, which honestly is a fucking Godsend for all the people who insist on continuing to use email. It just makes it so much easier to organize everything.
pineapplelover@lemm.ee 6 months ago
I use the web mail client and thunderbird client and it works fine. Protonvpn works fine in arch linux, there’s gui and cli, I prefer cli. Drive isn’t on linux yet but web client works wonderfully fast.
lambchop@lemmy.world 6 months ago
To everyone saying they’ve changed to protonmail, check out simplelogin.io , owned by proton and free for all paying proton members. Unlimited email aliases so you can have a unique email per service. The apps also on fdroid.
totallynotarobot@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Why would I switch from Firefox relay that gives unlimited aliases at 1/4 of the price?
clive@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
You dont have to switch but if someone is paying for Proton than they can utilize it for no extra charge
totallynotarobot@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Ooh so if you are already a Proton Other Things subscriber you get the unlimited alias version for free? Because that’s an excellent reason.
They shiuld make that more clear in the pricing page.
Thanks!
andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
I didn’t try Proton’s solution, but free Relay was blocked at some services I tried to use it. It was so weirdly specific since no one really knows about them, so I guess some web admins has enough time on their hands to create a whitelist of all mail services they support, and moz.com wasn’t there.
totallynotarobot@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I just had a company refuse to send to mozmail.com, thought they managed to charge the credit card just fine and the email address didn’t throw an error on sign up. Figured it out on phone with support so they have a record of exactly why they lost that sale worth a few thousand dollars. I’d like to think they’ll learn but more likely the only lesson learned was me re: shopping there.
lambchop@lemmy.world 6 months ago
There are github repositories where people curate a list of domains providing temporary emails or email aliases and admins can just point to the maintained list to block.
In the ~20 I’ve created so far I’ve had 2 services that wouldn’t accept simple login. For those I’ve used proton mail’s built in email alias service where you get 15 aliases with their proper domain.
0110010001100010@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’m just finishing up that transition myself and glad to hear I made a good choice!
iamanoldguy@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Same, using Proton mail and I am now blissfully Google free. Something else I found the holidays good for is finding out all the old accounts I have floating out there from sites that I interacted with over the years so I can cancel them or change the email if i decide to keep them. But, no more Google! Next on my list is Amazon.
dai@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Protonmail isn’t great, their deliberately misleading about the encryption. Many consider protonmail to be a honeypot.
bored_boar_onboard@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Do you have anymore background on that?
YoorWeb@lemmy.world 6 months ago
He wrote their instead of they’re, make your judgement.
dai@lemmy.world 6 months ago
wired.com/…/protonmail-amends-policy-after-giving…
cldc.org/does-protonmail-snitch/
In addition protonmail do not protect your metadata (from memory), it’s not encrypted in transit.
Protonmail also keep your public and private keys on their servers, it’s PGP however they don’t want the end users to have to manage their own keys. That to me isn’t ideal.
Receiving from another provider you’ll get TLS encryption until it hits protonmail servers but protonmail will then decrypt your email and again encrypt your email using your PGP stored on their servers.
Sending an email from proton to another provider will be encrypted on protonmail servers but that’s where it ends. TLS will take care of the in-transit and again may not be stored securely on the receiving end.
Geek_King@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Well god damn it! Did you have any links to articles about it? Also what would you view to be better then proton.me?
dai@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Tuta (in my eyes) is a step in the right direction, using a client like thunderbird or enigmail and managing PGP yourself would be more secure as the message is decrypted by the recipient and not a company owned server.
Geek_King@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I appreciate the follow up! I’m looking into Tuta to learn more about it! It just sucks Tuta didn’t come up at all when I was researching solid alternatives to Gmail.
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Yeah except I forgot how to login and now I’m burned
shadowSprite@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’m in the (gradual) process of switching all my stuff from Gmail and Google to Proton mail. I really like the mail client and Proton Drive works better on my computers than Google Drive did, but Proton Drive doesn’t back up my phone yet and I wish they had an office suite like Google does. I don’t put anything important or private on Google docs, but it’s useful to be able to access my textbook notes from any of my computers. I haven’t used the password manager because I’m using Bitwarden, which I really like.
Newby@startrek.website 6 months ago
They just released photo backups on android
isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
I want Proton Drive support on Linux.
It’s currently completely useless to me, unfortunately.
Newby@startrek.website 6 months ago
Same and windows arm too
shadowSprite@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I missed that update! This is great news!
Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 6 months ago
In the same boat. I currently just forward everything from gmail to ProtonMail and am gradually changing my contact email one at a time. It dawned on me that I receive mails from services I don’t give a damn about, so maybe I should not change those.
RanchOnPancakes@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I changed back when google got rid of the free “mail for your domain” and frankly its been a great thing for me. They keep announcing new things that replacing my existing apps.
They have a password manager now that I use. They are finally adding actual fuction to their online drive storage so I can sync files and backup photos.
Its been well worth the price for me. If only they had an office suite lol
EatYouWell@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I really wish their password manager used a serif font, though. That’s pretty unacceptable if you’re generating secure passwords.
randint@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Please don’t use serif fonts for UI elements. Imagine the buttons on your file manager being Times New Roman. (eww.) I think what you’re looking for is a monospaced font that’s designed to distinguish O/0, I/1/l, etc.
Plug for one of my favorite fonts: www.jetbrains.com/lp/mono/
Sproux@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
Could you explain why them not using a serif font is bad?
porksoda@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Generally speaking, serif fonts make it easier to distinguish between visually similar characters like o, O, and 0 or 1, I, and l.
Geek_King@lemmy.world 6 months ago
The only thing I haven’t found a good replacement for was how G Drive also handles Office style documents. I make use of that a lot, especially from my phone. But I agree, Proton Mail hasn’t been painful one bit.
blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Seriously? My workplace uses google drive, and many documents are made with word. … A very common problem is that sometimes someone opens a word doc from the web interface of google drive - which automatically can conveniently opens it with google docs, which totally screws up the formatting and then autosaves it.
(I hate google, and I resent that even after I’ve removed all aspects of it from my home & personal usage, I still have to use it at work.)
RanchOnPancakes@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I wish I could integrate it with like onlyoffice or something like that. Would be perfect.
For now I have to be happy with saving to my documents folder and knowing its backed up.
mjhelto@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Dude, that email alias feature is the best thing about their password app! I’ve started using it all the time for services, new and old. Will make it easy as hell to find those selling my info.
RanchOnPancakes@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Yeah the email alias rock. Especially when I was car shopping recently.
Want my email? Sure, here you go. SPAM? BEGONE, FOREVER BEGONE!