I dunno… I keep coming back to a thing I read recently about how most people back in Nazi Germany didn’t want to exterminate all the Jews.
they just didn’t care.
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FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I honestly do not think there are enough Americans who want to make the effort to fight a civil war. There could be little militia groups here and there who would likely to be put down quickly, but a mass uprising? When people can’t be bothered to get off of their couch?
Not to mention, who’s going quit their job to leave and fight a civil war and expect their partner to cover the rent by themselves? It’s not like civil wars put a pause on all of that.
Chenzo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
CitizenKong@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Also Hitler only won with 35 percent of the popular vote.
CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 11 months ago
The worst truth is that most of those who did care, even deeply, felt that they could not do anything or say anything because then they and their whole family would become targets. It’s rarely as simple as individual selfishness.
Enfors@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Yeah. These people largely couldn’t be bothered to get vaccinated for their fellow Americans, something tells me they’re not gonna go get themselves shot by the US military for their fellow Americans either to any significant degree.
c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 11 months ago
That logic only works if you assume they didn’t get vaccinated because of laziness which isn’t the source of their refusal.
rayyy@lemmy.world 11 months ago
People don’t understand how this would work. First they bully and threaten poll workers so they can put themselves in those position to “adjust” things. They get elected to school boards then advance their agendas. They move up the political ladder. Soon they are a powerful enough to infiltrate courts and instill fear into legislators who do not fully cooperate.
Once they have control, they use law enforcement to enforce whatever they decide. Democracy is then dead. Welcome to s shithole country of brutal dictators. VOTE or else ^
echodot@feddit.uk 11 months ago
I also sincerely doubt that they could self-organize well enough. Most of them seem to think that they would waive their guns around and the evil liberals would surrender.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
If it didn’t happen on January 6th, I think it’s very unlikely it would happen even if Trump loses again. Most of the people who think the election was stolen also think, “well, there’s nothing I can do about it. I guess I have to move on with my life. Biden sucks though.”
pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 11 months ago
Think back to the 2020 national uprising.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
And that resulted in what? Was the government overthrown?
pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 11 months ago
Are you asking sincerely or are you some anti-disestablisment bootlicker looking for a place to sink your hookers into?
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I’m pretty sure I already know which one you’ve decided I am, so I don’t think I need to know your answer.
Yeller_king@reddthat.com 11 months ago
Well, they will control the military when Trump wins re-election.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Will they obey orders to violate their military oaths? I mean I realize we can’t guarantee they won’t, but I just think a lot of the rank and file would not be willing to fire on their fellow citizens.
Yeller_king@reddthat.com 11 months ago
I agree but that’s how you might have a shooting war (or at least significant skirmishes). If some of them obey and others don’t.
Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You are thinking about it incorrectly, there will never be pitched battles, states wouldn’t secede, there won’t be a war. If there is a sustained conflict it will look much more like the Troubles in Northern Ireland. There will be right wing actors and paramilitaries operating in a decentralized manner. They will start attacking individuals and infrastructure. Leading to a general state of fear. In response left wing actors will form small paramilitary cells to defend/get revenge. Mostly based on a belief that the police are either unable to or intentionally not stopping the right with actors. As things escalate states will mostly likely be required to call up national guard troops to serve in a law enforcement role. One that they will mostly be untrained for. This will lead to abuses of power most likely in the form of arbitrary detention, torture and forced confessions. Mostly likely against both sides. This will just harden resolve and increase distrust of the government. And of course there will be the rise of political actors on both sides. Ones that most likely will not have any direct control of the paramilitaries but will use their bully pulpits to direct action while maintaining the appearance of freedom of speech. In the meantime the federal government may be so paralyzed by partisanship that it is incapable of taking meaningful action.
Yeah I don’t sleep well… Sorry if you all don’t now either.