Google is pushing RMS, which they would control, and is designed to push you ads and usage metrics back to them.
I haven't seen a valid reason to get rid of SMS though.
Comment on Google and major mobile carriers want Europe to regulate Apple's iMessage platform
kaitco@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This feels a bit like asking MS Teams to play nice with Google Meet, or demanding that Apple’s office suite (Pages, Numbers, etc.) deliver the exact same product when files are saved in an OpenOffice format. This doesn’t seem to be an issue with any other products…
Apple have designed their product to work well with their devices. The Messages app still functions with non-Apple devices. SMS messages can be sent and received to anyone. The fact that pictures and whatever come through like crap is more an issue with the SMS platform than it is with Apple’s app.
Ultimately, Google dislikes the fact that there is a “green bubble” stigma (for lack of a better word) on Apple devices that encourages those who care about such things to prefer Apple devices. Because Google doesn’t have their own widely used iMessage equivalent, they can’t turn around and make messages outside their platform appear as red bubbles or something, so they are attacking from this angle instead.
Sent from my iPhone
Kbin_space_program@kbin.social 1 year ago
cm0002@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s RCS not RMS and Google didnt even want control of it in the first place, it’s well documented Google has been trying to get US carriers to stop dragging their feet on RCS for a long time. They never did until Google literally went “Fine, I’ll do it myself then”
AND RCS is an open protocol, nobody really has “control” over it, Google runs some RCS servers but if it disappeared tomorrow (Or you changed the defaults) RCS itself would run just fine on whatever including if Apple supports RCS
BURN@lemmy.world 1 year ago
SMS takes less bandwidth and is perfect for large broadcast messages and works perfectly fine for text based messaging. The only major problems it has are security and media, which while are valid needs, are not a reason to get rid of one of the few universally accepted standards
cm0002@lemmy.world 1 year ago
SMS should have been a fallback years ago and nothing more, it’s absolutely asinine that it’s still in as much use as it is today
ozymandias117@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It will be an easier sell if Google manages to get their proprietary extensions to RCS into RCS version 10, rather than only being supported in Google Messenger
fartsparkles@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Bingo. This whole case is designed to make Apple look like the bad guy whilst Google hides their real agenda of forcing Apple to use a protocol Google controls and thus stamp out Google’s competition.
joyjoy@lemm.ee 1 year ago
From what I’ve read, Google just owns the reference implementation. Apple could implement it themselves, but then lose out on certain non-cross-platform features, like e2e encryption.
fartsparkles@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I’ve read the specification. Google’s implementation is the only real implementation as Google have added a load of extensions to the protocol that means, to be interoperable, you’d need to use Google’s (which I imagine requires licensing since it doesn’t appear to be open source).
kaitco@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Google is pushing RMS, which they would control
Hardest of hard passes, even if I were on Android.
Again, Google don’t have their own iMessage that is widely used, so instead of compete on that level, they want to own the whole system.
bkk_beaucoup@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Anybody remember Hangouts? Google’s iMessage that was better in every conceivable way than its Apple analog, integrated with Google voice, could be accessed anywhere you could get on Gmail etc? Dropping the ball on Hangouts to favor carrier pre-installed messaging Apps was such an incredible and short-sighted blunder. I concede that exactly like their many app deprecations/cut-and-runs that did not take the long-term sentiment of the end user into account and damaged their reputation and adoption. And now here we are… trying to grovel back into iMessage’s purview.
someguy3@lemmy.world 1 year ago
When they killed hangouts was when I think everyone stopped trying to adopt google products. What’s the point, it will be killed.
nicetriangle@kbin.social 1 year ago
Name a better duo than Google and killing off products
snowe@programming.dev 1 year ago
Wait you thought hangouts was good? Holy shit would that be one of the worst Google offerings of the decade if it wasn’t for the ten other Google chat and video systems they have made. My god I can’t think of a worse communication platform than hangouts. You might be the first person I’ve heard of liking it.
lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 year ago
You’re like a lot of people on Lemmy: so eager to paint everything even tangentially connected to Google as some kind of grand conspiracy that you can’t even get the most basic facts right.
cm0002@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s quite literally well documented that Apple doesn’t want to support RCS because it pressures people to get iPhones. SMS is an ancient garbage protocol, what Google is trying to do is get Apple to support SMSs 21st century replacement and RCS support will fix literally every issue iPhone users have texting Android users. Broken group chats, trash quality videos, ultra compressed images, no reactions or stickers, threaded chats etc etc
kirklennon@kbin.social 1 year ago
Google wants Apple to use Google’s proprietary extension of RCS, which runs on Google’s own servers as is precisely as open as iMessage. Effectively nobody uses the industry-standard version of it.
cm0002@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Where’s the source for that? Last I read, Google was using the GSMA Universal RCS profile
Google does own and run the Jibe platform as an RCS vendor, but Apple doesn’t need to use it. They can go with a different vendor or run their own RCS servers just as easily
kirklennon@kbin.social 1 year ago
Google's astroturf campaign for "RCS" promotes encrypted messages but RCS has no support for this. Google wants to force people to use its proprietary extension, which runs exclusively on Google's servers.
beeng@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Yes but no green bubble stigma in Europe… We all use whatsapp and signal.
Satelllliiiiiiiteeee@kbin.social 1 year ago
I mean, fuck, there's no green bubble stigma in the US either. I have never once heard people complain about it in the real world
kaitco@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Exactly. It’s a complete non-issue in Europe.
Google are attempting to start this fight in Europe in hopes that they can push Apple to change in the US as well. The whole green bubble thing is US-only, but Google haven’t been even remotely successful in trying to force Apple to change, and Apple’s “remedy” to the issue is “Get an iPhone”.
deweydecibel@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Legitimately can’t tell if you’re joking or not.
Aatube@kbin.social 1 year ago
SMS is like the minimum though, and not supporting all features that could be supported by the major ones somewhat counts as gatekeeping.
Salamendacious@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That hilarious
deweydecibel@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They’re not joking. They use iPhone.