Who are these mythical “real chiropractors” that you speak of?
It’s pseudoscience, and always has been.
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TransNeko@lemmy.world 14 hours agoregularly scheduled reminder that real Chiropractors are highly trained and not paid extra money to prescribe you a medication that has a warning label that includes the very minor side effects of… may cause: dizziness, nausea, rashes, cancer, and a mild case of death.
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TransNeko@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
go for alternative and wholistic chiropractors not mainstream ones. and stop spouting the American chemical medicine propaganda that any and all alternative medicines are shit. sure you can’t fix genetic shit with a chiropractor… but you are more likely to heal faster from a physical injury with a chiropractor than using meds and a physical therapist (by about 2-3 months depending on the injury severity).
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 6 hours ago
You know what they call alternative medicine that works? It’s called medicine.
Is the healthcare system designed to extract as much value as possible from people? Absolutely, but unlike a chiropractor they aren’t likely to leave your paralyzed from a routine visit. “Alternative medicine” only really exists due to a historical choice by the FDA to not regulate supplements back when supplements were an absolutely tiny market and now the supplement industry is as big as the regulated medicine industry. One of these things is regulated so it won’t kill you/destroy your life, the other isn’t. I’d rather take the safer route.
TransNeko@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Safe like the hundreds of FDA approved drugs that later turned out to be deadly? or safe like the FDA approved drugs that were found to be placebo effects? safe like the pills that have more warning labels on them than a nuke? or safe like the e-stims used by physical therapists that ended up hurting patients because there weren’t limits set on their usage?
oh and my personal favorites since you mentioned them. all of the FDA approved supplements that turned out to be terrible. like the Modern Warrior Ready capsules.
Some of the FDA’s biggest fuckups: opioids-- addiction Diethylstilbestrol (DES), 1971 – cancer Bextra, 2005 – toxic epidermal necrolysis which had a 50% lethality rate Vioxx, 2004 – the FDA ignored evidence of harm for years Fen-Phen, 1997 – the FDA ignored reports of horrific side-effects until a woman died Darvon/Darvocet – it took the FDA 50+ years to remove this after approving in it 1957
other fuckups by the FDA: slow response to contaminated baby food approving known risky drugs like Aduhelm allowing purposefully misleading marketing in 2017 an FDA inspector found serious issues with a Chinese manufacturing plant. superiors in the FDA ordered the issue to be ignored and even suppressed. Pharma kickbacks for approval of drugs (Pharma pays FDA to approve without testing) FDA director who took bribes to approve aspartame The protein scandal in China where the FDA knew that the tested samples were being spiked and the FDA looked the other way letting around 300000 children get sick, with around 54000 hospitalized and 6 babies died.
The FDA has a history of ignoring recommendations from advisory committees, taking bribes to let drugs pass inspection, and even knowing buries evidence of fraud in medical trials.
A physical therapist can leave you paralyzed after a single visit. you going to call them hacks and refuse to use them as well? and are you going to use contaminated medication just because the FDA says it’s safe? cause that’s the logic you are using.
shane@feddit.nl 13 hours ago
A highly trained phrenologist still cannot diagnose personality problems by feeling bumps on your head.
TransNeko@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
they can however diagnose issues for less money than a doctor.
it took $10000 of scans and 10 years for doctors to decide that my constantly sprained ankle as in fact a permanent bone bruise. it took 3 different chiropractors (at 3 different events) 5 minutes to diagnose that same issue.
the difference between the doctors and the chiropractors? the doctors are trapped by modern medicine and textbook diagnostic techniques. the chiropractors can pull from sources that have worked for thousands of years before some nutjob with lots of money and a product to sell said no.
andros_rex@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
the chiropractors can pull from sources that have worked for thousands of years
Chiropractic was made up in the 1800s.
TransNeko@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
the word yes. but the practice of stretching and massaging muscles and shifting bones back into place has been around longer than your precious white man doctor has existed. or do you deny that China had doctors, masseuses, and the equivalent of a chiropractor for over 2000 years.
and let me guess… the answer is: you deny anything that isn’t in the bible.
LuceVendemiaire@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 hours ago
oh you’re also a racist, got it
TransNeko@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
why? because I’m white? I got news for you. I’m not… just white passing. but yes. play the racism card any time someone tells you to go get stuffed.
why don’t I just call you a filthy pig. It’s clearly a valid accusation to make by your logic.
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Bullshit. Chiropractors cannot prevent or cure any disease or condition. They can help you manage lower back pain. That’s it.
Thanks to immunotherapy, I am now four and a half years cancer free. See if a chiropractor can do that.
TransNeko@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Clearly you never paid any attention to chiropractic studies made in the past 10 years.
Chiropractors treat physical injuries and can manage neurological issues if properly trained. there are only 17 chiropractors in America who have that training as they received that training after the 2019 conferences. but it is widely used in Europe for more than 10 years.
the only “chiropractors” who claim to cure cancer are the same idiots had medical licenses revoked.
just because you and a few other idiots got scammed because you couldn’t even bother with a simple google search… does not make all chiropractors hacks. hell with a single google search I can find over 2000 quack doctors that mainstream medical professionals swear are real.
I find it sad that you lot are spreading misinformation and lies when it serves your own narrative. makes you sound just like the standard incel who says “Tylenol causes autism. it is truth. internets says it’s true. durr durr”.
how pathetic can you lot get?
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
You obviously let that chiropractor crack your neck a few times too many.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
You’re feisty and assertive, pretty good, but your analogies need work. Less guessing more facts
TransNeko@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
My facts come from published medical journals. not the first page of google which is mostly AI slop, paid advertisements, and “studies” that were all debunked or discredited weeks after being published.
but it’s ok. I know that most people can’t spring for the money needed to access Medical Journals (only about 28-30% of medical journals are open sourced and free).
Half the time when I read a medical journal that says that anything other than Western Medicine (pills and chemicals) are run by quacks… the study is paid for Big Pharma (obviously they will rarely publish anything that doesn’t profit them). and 25% of the time… within a year there are multiple studies and medical journals published debunking the first one. the rest of the time the Medical Journals state that while Alternative medicine doesn’t cure cancer or cure incurable diseases, the alternative medicines can slow down symptoms. Every Medical Journal I have found published over the last decade has even stated that Wholistic Chiropractors (different from mainstream chiropractors) can treat the aftermath of injuries including broken bones and torn muscles more effectively than Physical Therapy.
What most people criticize chiropractors for is feeling pain after a session. most of the time what really happens is that the body gets shocked and remembers to start using a muscle that it has been bypassing due to nerves screaming in pain. sure it does hurt at first sometimes… but it’s like taking a new medication. you have to tailor the dose and type of medication to your specific situation. a doctor often tries multiple medications over time until one works since not everyone responds the the same medication the exact same way. chiropractors do the same thing. they make an adjustment, see how your body responds, and modified their approach till it works.
take Citalopram for example. In most cases it helps as an antidepressant. but there are cases where it doesn’t work or makes things worse. or say different cancer treatments… same thing happens. not everyone responds to the treatment the same way 100% of the time.
Most people go to a Clinical style of Chiropractors which works for some but not others. and when that chiropractor’s particular style doesn’t work. they say all chiropractors are bad. it’s like eating a bad batch of shrimp and saying that all shrimp are bad.
I’ve gone to 7 different chiropractors over a 20 year period. the Clinical ones that use tools… they don’t work for me. my skin literally crawls after adjustments and my knee always hurts afterwards. But the wholistic ones that press on pressure points and make small adjustments to the spine and use that pogo stick looking tool (idk it’s name) they work for me… no skin crawling and no joint pain. it’s just that the closest one to me currently… is about 60 miles away. too far to drive over and back once a week. My best friend… any time she goes to a more clinical chiropractor, she’s fine. but wholistic ones don’t work well for her.
Tetragrade@leminal.space 13 hours ago
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TransNeko@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
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Tetragrade@leminal.space 11 hours ago
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DragonAce@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Chiropractors are not doctors in any shape or form. There is no scientific data to backup the idea that popping random joints somehow cures illnesses. They’re nothing more than snake oil salesmen who have no clue WTF they’re actually doing.
Kage520@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Not to defend chiropractors or anything, but they legitimately have a doctorate degree and are given the title Chiropractic Physician.
Whether their studies they do in school are nonsense, they do get a degree for it. So they are technically doctors in some shape or form.
Honestly there is likely some small value in what they do, but that small value has almost definitely been absorbed into the Doctor of Osteopathy (actually medical doctor-like role), so I don’t see the need for them. Definitely think physical therapists are much more beneficial.
TransNeko@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
correction: chiropractors are not backed by studies funded by people who own companies that require you to pop pills for long periods of time.
remember that. and stop burying your heads in the sand like republicans do. it’s a sad and pathetic look for you.
DragonAce@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Found the unlicensed chiropractor. Get bent dude. Chiropractors have caused more pain and suffering to people than they have ever helped. They’re nothing more than glorified physical therapists.
Also its a pretty pathetic look for you that you have to make this political.
TransNeko@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
found the idiot who thinks that anyone supporting real facts is a fake.
taken straight from a medical journal funded by real medical research not RFK style research (aka not from the hacks that say that vaccines and pills created autism) for orthopedics: Chiropractic care is an evidence based effective option for spine and joint injuries.
the only hack Chiropractors O have found are a bunch of Americans. Every other country in the world recognizes both chiropractors and alternative medicine as valid options. but I wouldn’t expect a fake leftist like you who gets his facts from Fox News to know the difference between fact and propaganda.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago
The inventor of chiropractic practices literally said that a ghost taught it to him during a seance. Please educate yourself.
TransNeko@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
And the origin of doctors thought that draining the body of blood helped cure any and all illnesses. and the origin of most surgeries used today were developed by a Nazi who experimented on Jews.
educate yourself.
it’s sad how many idiots think that an origin of a particular activity decides whether or not you should use it.
eupraxia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 hours ago
this is my general impression too, the origins of the practice is kinda bunk and it’s probably not worth the risk for a lot of people.
that being said, there are individual chiros out there that do good work. The main person I go to for non-chiro bodywork, who really knows her shit, sees a chiro and highly credits them for her recovery from pretty severe spinal issues.
but generally speaking there’s other alternative therapies I’d recommend over seeing just any random chiro. Acupuncture can be a game changer, craniosacral work is great for some people too, and both of those are a lot less focused on manual adjustment, lowering the risk significantly.
andros_rex@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Why would you let someone who doesn’t believe in germ theory put needles in your body?
There is no evidence justifying acupuncture.
eupraxia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 hours ago
You’ll find more study in the West of “dry needling”, a technique directly inspired by acupuncture. Here’s one recent review.
I see an acupuncturist because she’s good at what she does, does believe in germ theory, practices in a sanitary way, and doesn’t claim to cure illnesses. These are the norms for modern licensed acupuncturists. I’m not saying every acupuncturist out there is like this, hokey grifters do exist in alt medicine spaces, and that’s kind of my whole point. It really depends on the practitioner.