In a world were plenty of games without denuvo are doing just fine? Yeah I blame the publisher/dev.
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Rhoeri@lemmy.world 1 day agoSo you blame the developer and not the pirates for this?
This is the equivalent of trumpers crying about “illegal” immigrants and not the people that hire them.
Go ahead and boycott the game over this. I’m sure the amount of money they’re making from all the would-be pirates now having to actually pay for a change will more than make up for it.
Don_alForno@feddit.org 16 hours ago
Agrivar@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Go back to the Steam forums where you belong, bootlicker.
Rhoeri@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Person disagrees with your point:
You: “bOoTliCkEr!”
Yliaster@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Except when people provide you with evidence and reasoning you just go “lmao” and leave it at that too.
Rhoeri@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
I laugh at shit I find funny. If that makes someone a bootlicker, I hope for your sake that you have no sense of humor whatsoever.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 day ago
Show me the data that proves piracy actually causes a tangible loss for the developer for DRM to actually be needed.
Katana314@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
The only way to do this accurately would require the same game to release twice on two planet Earths. It gets harder when pirates are not the types to offer up their purchase data honestly and willingly, for somewhat expectable reasons.
BUT, the closest we got is an old version of FIFA (we’ll assume it was FIFA. This is an old article, and unfortunately I’m only recalling details from memory until I can locate a very old bookmark) Those games sell each year, generally just to update the roster. You’ll see many college dorms where people just stack up each year’s edition they bought because that trend doesn’t change. In the year that the publisher added Denuvo encryption, the PC sales jumped significantly. The only reasonable explanation most analysts could come to is that many PC gamers found they couldn’t pirate the game, and bought it.
It’s not perfect data, not least because I don’t have a link right now. The other murky point is that the people who need to be convinced are not gamers, but publishers. Whatever arguments we make in forums, Denuvo makes its own arguments to them behind closed doors. So far, their arguments have been convincing, enough for publishers to burn money on licenses, and it may be because they have some very valuable, and non-public, figures that make the case. The games industry is not always obligated to release full numbers to its fanbase.
I’m not trying to suggest anyone should shut up and accept Denuvo, I think a lot of the frustration is valid. But I do think it can be more nuanced than you reali3z
Rhoeri@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Lmao…. Show you the data that would otherwise be impossible to show you?
There is no tangible way to prove who would or wouldn’t buy a thing if the parameters were different other than polling them.
And how exactly do you think polling dishonest people will turn out?
Nelots@piefed.zip 17 hours ago
Why is pirating inherently dishonest in your opinion?
Rhoeri@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
That question is too stupid to bother answering.
teft@piefed.social 23 hours ago
monkeyjoe@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Now he’s giving links without reading yours, holy shit this guy.
Rhoeri@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
LMAO….
monkeyjoe@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
What an argument to credible sources disproving you wrong. Trump supporter logic.
Rhoeri@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
LMAO! Trump supporter logic is getting mad at the result of the problem and not the problem. Keyword: “they’re taking our jobs!”
And piracy actually hurts game developers:
arstechnica.com/…/the-true-cost-of-game-piracy-20…
But don’t let this get in the way of a good ol’ fashion outrage. 😂
Eggyhead@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
My first Final Fantasy game was a rom a friend all but insisted I play. Before that the idea of random encounters and turned-based combat were a huge turnoff to me, and I had no interest in buying it. Since then I’ve purchased a copy of nearly every game in the series, some more than once for different platforms. Same story for the Trails games and some others.
That’s a lot of money those companies would never had received if it weren’t for just a little bit of piracy to make a fan out of someone.
Typically the people I know who pirate because they want to play without paying are doing so because they don’t have the money. As mentioned countless times before, they would not have bought the game otherwise because they probably couldn’t afford it in the first place. Denuvo may (or may not, I don’t actually know) block pirates, but it doesn’t ensure the publisher is making any more money. It does however ensure that regular paying folks get a worse product. I think people have the right to be upset about that. They could just use a different DRM.
rtxn@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Denuvo adds an obscene amount of checks to the executable, which manifests as an increased CPU load (compare Assassin’s Creed Origins with and without it) and poorer performance. It also restricts the game’s availability to legitimate paying customers if there’s any issue with the “is this a new installation” detector.
Rhoeri@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Would be pirates are never going to pay for it
No loss.
Nelots@piefed.zip 17 hours ago
You… either completely missed or completely ignored the point. The point being that, in order to attack the pirates who wouldn’t have bought the game anyway, regular paying users are getting screwed over by a significant performance hit.
Rhoeri@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Again, ten years ago this would be a true statement. Today, your system must be pretty shitty to be hit with performance issues.
The only people complaining about this are people who would have pirated it but now can’t.
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
The developers have a lot of choices in their approach to piracy and they chose a company that makes performance killing restraints that runs concurrent to the software causing poor performance. The game could be fun and run well but it is saddled by the poor business choices of the developer.
ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 1 day ago
Yes I do because they actively chose to make their game shittier for people who purchase legitimate copies. You think pirates are going to pay for this shit? They were never going to pay to begin with, what makes you think they’re going to pay for it now?
Rhoeri@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
They’re not. And now they do get to play it for free either.
Win-win.
ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 20 hours ago
all the would-be pirates now having to actually pay
You think pirates are going to pay for this shit? They were never going to pay to begin with, what makes you think they’re going to pay for it now?
They’re not.
Way to contradict yourself in literally the next comment. Clearly you are a shill and not a serious person.
Rhoeri@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Pirates weren’t going to buy anyway is your argument so therefore just let them pirate the game.
Thats your argument?
So that’s a slap in the face of paying customers. Why not just make the game fee for everyone then? If stupid “what if’s” are allowed.
I’m. It contradicting shit. You’re crying about a protection the developer put in place to stop people from PLAYING THE GAME FOR FREE. And not crying about the people that caused them to have to do it.
Fucking laughable.
Don_alForno@feddit.org 16 hours ago
Who exactly “wins” anything here?
The dev pay for denuvo licenses an doesn’t gain enough sales to make up for it - lose.
The pirate waits longer to play the game - lose.
The paying customer gets an inferior product - lose.
Rhoeri@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Again, ten years ago there was a performance hit. Not it’s not even noticeable unless you have severely outdated hardware.
The only people whining about this are people that would have pirated the game. Tough shit.
monkeyjoe@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
The pirates didn’t add a piece of software that doesn’t help sales, slows down computers, and eventually breaks the game. They remove it.