The trick is now you can’t tell. Should it be illegal? Heck yes. Will it? “Hmm … technology, so important … innovation… privacy is dead anyway …. terrorism prevention… “
bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
I remember when Google glasses came out, people got assaulted for wearing them
nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl 11 months ago
meco03211@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Should it be illegal?
In the US, it’s been long held people do not have the “expectation of privacy” while out in public. One of the major issues that you’ve kinda touched on is how would it be enforced? So are you opposed to all forms of recording? Or is this more focused on a corporation potentially gathering data on people just by being in public where someone is wearing these?
ram@bookwormstory.social 11 months ago
IMO expectation of privacy is valid, but I believe people should also have the right to reasonably know if they’re being recorded. Recording people in public’s one thing if you have your phone out and are waving it around pointing it at people, but it’s a whole other thing if it’s a concealed or otherwise hidden recording device.
shalafi@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Ring doorbells, and the like, are everywhere. Hell, I had a bear cruise in the dog door a couple of years ago. Neighbors produced security cam pics and I had no clue they had cameras!
At this point, we might as well assume we’re being recorded the moment we step out our front door.
khepri@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I wonder about that, because how many things are already recording our activity in some way when we’re out in public? And what would “knowing that you’re being recorded” consist of? Like if there’s a security camera on the corner of a building filming the sidewalk, and I don’t see it, is my privacy violated? If someone posts a sign that says “cameras in use” is that enough? It’s just an interesting question because obviously there are a huge variety of recording devices everywhere these days in public and as far as I know there’s really not much in the way of laws dictating how or whether the device owner needs to warn people who may wander into it’s range in public.
Kalkaline@leminal.space 11 months ago
I just kind of assume my phone is going to give out more information than a camera ever could, so the very least those companies can do is give me access to that data.
30mag@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Recording people in public’s one thing if you have your phone out and are waving it around pointing it at people, but it’s a whole other thing if it’s a concealed or otherwise hidden recording device.
What about security cameras? Cameras on cars? What kind of notification should be required?
Eldritch@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It’s only valid in private venues. We don’t know when were being recorded now and have not really known for decades. This isn’t going to change anything on that front.
But something to detect their emissions etc in private venues would be a good idea. That or deployable jamming for Bluetooth and WiFi etc on site.
khepri@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Legally speaking, you pretty much consent to being recorded when you step outside your own private space as far as I know.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The problem is you won’t know you’re being recorded in private either.
p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Also in the US, there has been this bizarre expectation that “if it’s illegal, it will go away”, which is how we have this shitty War on (some) Drugs, “assault” “weapon” bans, and people thinking that we have to completely outlaw AI.
The tech is here. It’s going to be legal. We just have to figure out how to deal with it.
dependencyInjection@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Why should it be illegal?
It’s perfectly legal to photograph strangers in public. You’re in public you have no reasonable expectation of privacy.
I don’t see people assaulting CCTV cameras for instance.
Sure some weirdos might I use it for nefarious reasons but if it didn’t exist they would still be weirdos using something else.
GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 11 months ago
People wear their glasses everywhere, including a variety of places where there is an expectation of privacy or where it is otherwise prohibited to record. Places where you would not be allowed to hold up your phone or camera and take photos.
The introduction of tech that makes it impossible to distinguish between someone minding their own business and someone recording you demands a change to the legal framework. It doesn’t make sense to hold to laws that were written for an entirely different scenario.
I don’t see people assaulting CCTV cameras for instance
I’ve seen that fairly often, particularly around political protests, and I’ve never seen a CCTV camera in a public bathroom, locker room, etc.
This tech is an inevitability and the potential legitimate uses are too valuable to ban it outright. But that doesn’t mean it should be treated exactly like a highly-visible camera or cell phone.
shalafi@lemmy.world 11 months ago
People wear their glasses everywhere, including a variety of places where there is an expectation of privacy or where it is otherwise prohibited to record.
VERY solid point.
The introduction of tech that makes it impossible to distinguish between someone minding their own business and someone recording you
This isn’t new tech though. I can record on the down-low now and have been able to for some time.
People attacking Glasses users are ignorant of this fact.
tabular@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Primate bionic eye implants exist. Consider a future where they are good and look exactly like regular eyes.
NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It’s perfectly legal to photograph strangers in public.
Depends on your legislation.
Here it’s the other way round.
ilmagico@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Right, definitely not the same everywhere in the world. Where exactly is “here” that you’re referring to?
dependencyInjection@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Where is here?
I’m in the UK and it’s legal.
blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Which 3rd world country?
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Ok, now you and I are in a private place. Say, a bar. How do I know you’re not recording me?
ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 11 months ago
A bar, where the public congregates, sounds like a public place (and would be considered so in my country).
dependencyInjection@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
The bar is a public place in that they allow in the public. You have no expectation of privacy there.
However the bar owner as the owner can explicitly ban photography and that’s fine it’s their bar , but they have to explicitly let people know the rules.
You ever been to a bar or a club? People are talking photos everywhere lol
IthronMorn@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
How do you know my phone isn’t just recording you? Doesn’t even have to really be pointing at you to grab audio or perhaps you even in the corner of the frame?
2Xtreme21@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Pretty sure there are at least some limitations to that. In a public toilet for instance…
dependencyInjection@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
The key is the phrasing reasonable expectation of privacy.
A bathroom is such a place where you would reasonably expect privacy.
thehatfox@lemmy.world 11 months ago
How would banning these be enforceable though? They are only going to get more discreet, they will eventually appear completely indistinguishable from regular glasses.
There are certain ways to detect cameras, such as monitoring for infrared, but that would not work for all camera tech and could be hard to triangulate to exact people in crowded areas. There are also ways to detect electronic devices on a person but doing so could quickly become just as invasive in other ways.
GbyBE@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
Thermal cameras are surprisingly good at detecting things that use power. Defeat the camera with another camera 😉
CoderKat@lemm.ee 11 months ago
You don’t need the ban to be perfect. Especially if you go after manufacturers, not users. Make it harder for people to do uncouth things. Accessibility is a huge driver of people using things. You might not be able to stop everyone, but you can stop the majority of people.
DaCookeyMonsta@lemmy.world 11 months ago
IT’S FOR THE CHILDREN
elbarto777@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I think some cameras will “pop out” on your screen if you take a picture of them, right?
What a shitty future ahead of us. “Why are you taking a picture of me?!” “Because you’re wearing some suspicious glasses and I want to make sure that you are not recording me. Yup. There they are.”
takeda@lemmy.world 11 months ago
That’s only if it sends infrared signal (for example it has night vision). I don’t think anything will show up with these.
elbarto777@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Oh… oh, well.
Pxtl@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
realitista@lemm.ee 11 months ago
What will be the new name for Glassholes in the Meta era?
SeaJ@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Several bars in my city banned people wearing them.
briongloid@aussie.zone 11 months ago
Venues will just need to implement infrared checks at the door.
bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
A simple solution would be to have a red led that displays when recording like video cameras
plz1@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The fix for that is a Sharpie or electrical tape, like all other LED’s you want to hide.
DaisyLee@lemmy.world 11 months ago
They have lights that pulse around each of the cameras when turned on. Seems like a good enough indicator to me
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Next up: a bunch of facebook.posts on how to kill the recording.lights without damaging the glasses…
YeetPics@mander.xyz 11 months ago
You mean the ‘off’ light?
tempest@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Pretty sure these have that