Matrix is decentralized but its not federating in a way like activity pub is doing
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Steve@communick.news 12 hours ago
I thought we already had Matrix
confuser@lemmy.zip 12 hours ago
Steve@communick.news 11 hours ago
ActivityPub isn’t the only way to federate.
It’s federating the same way email does. Anyone can spin up their own server. And if they want anyone can spin up their own software.Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
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confuser@lemmy.zip 10 hours ago
No that’s decentralization, federating is when you can share the info natively outside the platform.
Steve@communick.news 9 hours ago
share the info natively outside the platform.
I’m not even sure that makes sense.
Federating is based on protocols not platforms. And what does it mean to share natively if not using the protocol?ageedizzle@piefed.ca 10 hours ago
That’s a distinction that only matters to nerds.
Luckily most of us on here are nerds so it’s all good.
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 11 hours ago
How so? It’s certainly very similar.
The matrix protocol enables federation between different instances running different homeservers between users using different clients.
confuser@lemmy.zip 10 hours ago
But all those clients are matrix, not say some discord, some fluxer, some stoat, etc.
WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 9 hours ago
All activitypub platforms are activity pub. Also, matrix is a protocol, not a client. There’s tons of clients for matrix (element/element x being the main one).
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 9 hours ago
Yes?
“Matrix” is the protocol.
The equivalent is ActivityPub, not discord, fluxer or stoat.
Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de 9 hours ago
The Fediverse isn’t federated.
All those clients are ActivityPub, not say some Synapse, some Continuwuity, some Rocket Chat, etc.
How is that different?
RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
What do you mean?
And what benefit justifies yet another standard?
VaalaVasaVarde@sopuli.xyz 10 hours ago
In this day and age we need as many open source e2e encrypted alternatives as possible.
littleomid@feddit.org 4 hours ago
Matrix is a protocol, not an “App”. We would all benefit if everyone stopped doing their own thing, and started to push stuff for Matrix.
confuser@lemmy.zip 10 hours ago
Matrix does not connect natively to discord as an example, every user of a matrix protocol is still within matrix
WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 9 hours ago
Activitypub doesn’t connect natively to my toaster.
littleomid@feddit.org 4 hours ago
So? Does anything connect to discord, legally and natively?
ViatorOmnium@piefed.social 10 hours ago
And XMPP before it, even if for e2ee messaging. At least this is a slightly different use case.
HailHydra@infosec.pub 9 hours ago
Matrix is a poor choice from a cryptographic perspective. With some serious issues historically (some of which are still unfixed to this day), and an extremely poor response to disclosures.
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 11 hours ago
We do.
This is for activitypub DMs.
Steve@communick.news 11 hours ago
That’s what I mean.
The headline is a lie.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 hours ago
If I say tacos coming soon, it doesn’t mean I invented tacos, just that there will be new tacos I guess
veeesix@lemmy.ca 10 hours ago
I heard this is the line for tacos.
whelk@retrolemmy.com 11 hours ago
I’ll take one
umbrella@lemmy.ml 8 hours ago
i’m suddenly hungry for tacos
Steve@communick.news 11 hours ago
But we already have tacos.
If you say “Tacos are coming soon”. And we already have tacos. I’d say “What do you mean? Tacos are already here. Do we need more tacos?”
ageedizzle@piefed.ca 10 hours ago
Matrix is not really integrated into the ActivityPub protocol the same way DMs usually are. I would have to open a separate application to message you on Matrix, I can’t just click on your profile and shoot you a DM (or can I?).
knova@infosec.pub 10 hours ago
You cannot, two totally different protocols
Steve@communick.news 9 hours ago
ActivityPub is only one of a number of federated protocols.
One notably unsuited to instant messaging.
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 5 hours ago
I, too, am often pissed at clickbaity, exaggerated, deliberately ambiguous headlines.
The subtitle makes it clear though: this is about ActivityPub, which has grown into the #1 federation protocol I guess.
deadsuperhero@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
It’s not, the demo video actually shows that being one such use case. There’s nothing stopping anyone from writing a chat service in ActivityPub. But this can also apply to statuses, media, all kinds of other stuff.