Comment on Federated End-to-End Encrypted Messaging is Coming Soon

Steve@communick.news ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  We do.

  This is for activitypub DMs.

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  • Steve@communick.news ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s what I mean.
    The headline is a lie.

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    • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If I say tacos coming soon, it doesn’t mean I invented tacos, just that there will be new tacos I guess

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      • veeesix@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I heard this is the line for tacos.

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      • whelk@retrolemmy.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I’ll take one

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      • umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        i’m suddenly hungry for tacos

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      • Steve@communick.news ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        But we already have tacos.
        If you say “Tacos are coming soon”. And we already have tacos. I’d say “What do you mean? Tacos are already here. Do we need more tacos?”

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    • ageedizzle@piefed.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Matrix is not really integrated into the ActivityPub protocol the same way DMs usually are. I would have to open a separate application to message you on Matrix, I can’t just click on your profile and shoot you a DM (or can I?).

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      • knova@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You cannot, two totally different protocols

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      • Steve@communick.news ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        ActivityPub is only one of a number of federated protocols.
        One notably unsuited to instant messaging.

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    • A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I, too, am often pissed at clickbaity, exaggerated, deliberately ambiguous headlines.

      The subtitle makes it clear though: this is about ActivityPub, which has grown into the #1 federation protocol I guess.

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    • deadsuperhero@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s not, the demo video actually shows that being one such use case. There’s nothing stopping anyone from writing a chat service in ActivityPub. But this can also apply to statuses, media, all kinds of other stuff.

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    • Vittelius@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      No it’s not. Matrix isn’t part of the Fediverse. It doesn’t use ActivityPub and there is no interop with any other Fediverse service.

      That doesn’t make Matrix bad, it just makes it it’s own thing.

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      • Steve@communick.news ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        ActivityPub isn’t the only way to be federated. Email is federated. Email isn’t ActivityPub. Matrix is no different.

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• confuser@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Matrix is decentralized but its not federating in a way like activity pub is doing

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  • Steve@communick.news ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    ActivityPub isn’t the only way to federate.
    It’s federating the same way email does. Anyone can spin up their own server. And if they want anyone can spin up their own software.

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    • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      What??? I thought being part of Federation meant being part of the WORLD WRESTLING FEDERATION!

      OOOOH YEAH, SEE I’M ALWAYS THINKIN THINKIN THINKIN, YEAH. AND WHEN IT’S ALL SAID AND DONE, WE DO THING IN THE RING! DIG IT! THE TOWER OF POWER TOO SWEET TO BE SOUR, FUNKY LIKE A MONKEY! OOOOOOH YEEEAAAHHHH!!!

      Pomp and circumstance plays over the house speakers

      ELIZABETH!!!

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    • confuser@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      No that’s decentralization, federating is when you can share the info natively outside the platform.

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      • Steve@communick.news ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        share the info natively outside the platform.

        I’m not even sure that makes sense.
        Federating is based on protocols not platforms. And what does it mean to share natively if not using the protocol?

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      • ageedizzle@piefed.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        That’s a distinction that only matters to nerds.

        Luckily most of us on here are nerds so it’s all good.

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  • MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    How so? It’s certainly very similar.

    The matrix protocol enables federation between different instances running different homeservers between users using different clients.

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    • confuser@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      But all those clients are matrix, not say some discord, some fluxer, some stoat, etc.

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      • WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        All activitypub platforms are activity pub. Also, matrix is a protocol, not a client. There’s tons of clients for matrix (element/element x being the main one).

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      • MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yes?

        “Matrix” is the protocol.

        The equivalent is ActivityPub, not discord, fluxer or stoat.

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      • Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The Fediverse isn’t federated.

        All those clients are ActivityPub, not say some Synapse, some Continuwuity, some Rocket Chat, etc.

        How is that different?

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  • RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What do you mean?

    And what benefit justifies yet another standard?

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    • VaalaVasaVarde@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      In this day and age we need as many open source e2e encrypted alternatives as possible.

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      • littleomid@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Matrix is a protocol, not an “App”. We would all benefit if everyone stopped doing their own thing, and started to push stuff for Matrix.

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    • confuser@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Matrix does not connect natively to discord as an example, every user of a matrix protocol is still within matrix

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      • WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Activitypub doesn’t connect natively to my toaster.

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      • littleomid@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        So? Does anything connect to discord, legally and natively?

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• ViatorOmnium@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  And XMPP before it, even if for e2ee messaging. At least this is a slightly different use case.

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• HailHydra@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Matrix is a poor choice from a cryptographic perspective. With some serious issues historically (some of which are still unfixed to this day), and an extremely poor response to disclosures.

  soatok.blog/…/cryptographic-issues-in-matrixs-rus…

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