Matrix is decentralized but its not federating in a way like activity pub is doing
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Steve@communick.news 2 months ago
I thought we already had Matrix
confuser@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Steve@communick.news 2 months ago
ActivityPub isn’t the only way to federate.
It’s federating the same way email does. Anyone can spin up their own server. And if they want anyone can spin up their own software.Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 2 months ago
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confuser@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
No that’s decentralization, federating is when you can share the info natively outside the platform.
Steve@communick.news 2 months ago
share the info natively outside the platform.
I’m not even sure that makes sense.
Federating is based on protocols not platforms. And what does it mean to share natively if not using the protocol?ageedizzle@piefed.ca 2 months ago
That’s a distinction that only matters to nerds.
Luckily most of us on here are nerds so it’s all good.
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
How so? It’s certainly very similar.
The matrix protocol enables federation between different instances running different homeservers between users using different clients.
confuser@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
But all those clients are matrix, not say some discord, some fluxer, some stoat, etc.
WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 2 months ago
All activitypub platforms are activity pub. Also, matrix is a protocol, not a client. There’s tons of clients for matrix (element/element x being the main one).
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
Yes?
“Matrix” is the protocol.
The equivalent is ActivityPub, not discord, fluxer or stoat.
Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
The Fediverse isn’t federated.
All those clients are ActivityPub, not say some Synapse, some Continuwuity, some Rocket Chat, etc.
How is that different?
RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 2 months ago
What do you mean?
And what benefit justifies yet another standard?
VaalaVasaVarde@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
In this day and age we need as many open source e2e encrypted alternatives as possible.
littleomid@feddit.org 2 months ago
Matrix is a protocol, not an “App”. We would all benefit if everyone stopped doing their own thing, and started to push stuff for Matrix.
confuser@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Matrix does not connect natively to discord as an example, every user of a matrix protocol is still within matrix
WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 2 months ago
Activitypub doesn’t connect natively to my toaster.
littleomid@feddit.org 2 months ago
So? Does anything connect to discord, legally and natively?
ViatorOmnium@piefed.social 2 months ago
And XMPP before it, even if for e2ee messaging. At least this is a slightly different use case.
HailHydra@infosec.pub 2 months ago
Matrix is a poor choice from a cryptographic perspective. With some serious issues historically (some of which are still unfixed to this day), and an extremely poor response to disclosures.
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
We do.
This is for activitypub DMs.
Steve@communick.news 2 months ago
That’s what I mean.
The headline is a lie.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
If I say tacos coming soon, it doesn’t mean I invented tacos, just that there will be new tacos I guess
veeesix@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
I heard this is the line for tacos.
whelk@retrolemmy.com 2 months ago
I’ll take one
umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
i’m suddenly hungry for tacos
Steve@communick.news 2 months ago
But we already have tacos.
If you say “Tacos are coming soon”. And we already have tacos. I’d say “What do you mean? Tacos are already here. Do we need more tacos?”
ageedizzle@piefed.ca 2 months ago
Matrix is not really integrated into the ActivityPub protocol the same way DMs usually are. I would have to open a separate application to message you on Matrix, I can’t just click on your profile and shoot you a DM (or can I?).
knova@infosec.pub 2 months ago
You cannot, two totally different protocols
Steve@communick.news 2 months ago
ActivityPub is only one of a number of federated protocols.
One notably unsuited to instant messaging.
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 2 months ago
I, too, am often pissed at clickbaity, exaggerated, deliberately ambiguous headlines.
The subtitle makes it clear though: this is about ActivityPub, which has grown into the #1 federation protocol I guess.
deadsuperhero@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It’s not, the demo video actually shows that being one such use case. There’s nothing stopping anyone from writing a chat service in ActivityPub. But this can also apply to statuses, media, all kinds of other stuff.
Vittelius@feddit.org 1 month ago
No it’s not. Matrix isn’t part of the Fediverse. It doesn’t use ActivityPub and there is no interop with any other Fediverse service.
That doesn’t make Matrix bad, it just makes it it’s own thing.
Steve@communick.news 1 month ago
ActivityPub isn’t the only way to be federated. Email is federated. Email isn’t ActivityPub. Matrix is no different.