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• kazerniel@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  PieFed has its own share of dodgy stuff:

  • opinions of the dev are hard-coded into PieFed’s code, with overreaching content blocks and error messages deliberately lying to users
  • plus a 0/5 priority of testability, 1/5 priority of reliability and 2/5 priority of security described in their architecture document

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• toofpic@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  UX/UI are only as bad as the client is. For me, Lemmy is indistinguishable from reddit (if you don’t look at numbers of comments), because I use Lemmy Sync, as I used Reddit Sync before

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  • Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I used Lemmy for months, mostly in the browser and my UX was absolutely horrible.

    The default browser UI sucks.

    I had to try many different settings and eventually through a lot of effort found the Photon UI, which is nice.

    The vast majority of users just won’t go through that effort. PieFed’s default UI is quite clean and modern and much nicer to use.

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    • nutomic@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      In what ways does the Lemmy UI suck? I would appreciate feedback in order to improve it. For what its worth I only use the default UI on desktop and mobile, and like it a lot.

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      • Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Any actions you need to take that could have been avoided = bad UX.

        Any time you need to think and not immediately know what to do next = bad UX.

        Sadly we’re in a time where users expect their hand to be held the whole time and where they expect zero effort to be put in and everything to just work.

        For me the biggest issue with default Lemmy is, why do I have to click on a image post to view the image, when it could just have defaulted to a bigger size?

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    • anothermember@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I used Lemmy for months, mostly in the browser and my UX was absolutely horrible.

      The default browser UI sucks.

      How long ago? It was a bit flaky a couple of years ago but for me now it’s perfect - like Reddit before it enshittified.

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      • Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I’m sorry but the default Lemmy UI is objectively bad, it breaks so many UX principles.

        Photon is good, but go to Lemmy.world and it looks like a website built in the early 90’s

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    • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I use the the apk called “Thunder” and it does a fantastic job. Much better than just using the website of here or reddit.

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    • Calfpupa@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Okay then recommend Lemmy with PhotonUI?

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      • Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Too much friction, and that’s really bad UX.

        And now you have to explain to people why the default UI sucks. I tried to promote https://p.lemmy.world to people, and they tell me to get lost with that dodgy virus link.

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    • fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I honestly use the Voyager web client in my desktop PC, it works pretty well.

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    • Broken@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I tried out a handful of Lemmy apps and Thunder is what I used for most of it but then switched to Summit. There’s aspects I like about both and aspects I dislike about both, but they don’t have a bad UI.

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  • communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    i recommend trying out thunder, I just switched from sync.

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  • Kalothar@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m checking in with voyager here, and I came from the reddit Apollo app and I feel the same.

    It was practically seamless, though I’ve considered switching to try out other clients.

    Tried Piefed and find it clunky with my current level of familiarity

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• InFerNo@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  “Complain about tankies” it’s the same fediverse… With the same content…

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  • Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Sure but PieFed doesn’t seem to have a tankie problem. They’re blocked from what I’ve seen.

    Even if that wasn’t the case, PieFed doesn’t have a reputation for having a tankie problem.

    The bottom line is when I promote PieFed I don’t get people on reddit telling me the UI sucked and that it’s flooded with pro-russia propaganda.

    So I find it more efficient to promote PieFed

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    • Calfpupa@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Anyone can instance can defederate from any other instance in Lemmy, not that hard to understand.

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      • Coelacanth@feddit.nu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I agree, and I think it’s a shame it has gotten to this point, but I understand his viewpoint completely and have seen the interactions myself. At this point it’s simply more efficient to promote Piefed on Reddit instead of Lemmy, because you want the absolute least amount of friction for potential new users. Literally any single minor inconvenience/negative thing will cause people to not even consider trying it out. Lemmy has unfortunately already accumulated a reputation, and if you promote it you are very likely to run into comments about tankies which is typically enough to scare potential new users away.

        At the end of the day it shouldn’t matter to us which software people use, as long as we get more new users into the ecosystem.

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    • Shatur@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s a shame to see that people think of Lemmy creators as some sort of villains.

      I created my account on .ml before the Reddit blackout, but there wasn’t much content there, so I didn’t use it much. I properly started using it after the “Reddit blackout,” and that’s when I learned about the so-called “tankie problem.” I’ve met people with weird opinions, but the developers and Marxists in general aren’t bad people. People just usually make a strawmen to argue against.

      Anyway, none of their opinions are reflected in the software. Lemmy is done in a truly democratic and user-respectful way, and I respect them for it.

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      • Greddan@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Those guys aren’t Marxists, they’re mentally unstable Americans with a fetish authoritarianism.

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    • pimento64@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      PieFed literally uses a social credit score system and it gets lowered if you post content the Dev doesn’t like. It’s shit. And it’s ugly, people who want a low density enshittified web app interface should be actively filtered out.

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• nutomic@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  For different UI you can linnk people to blorp, vger.app or phtn.app. There are also a lot of mobile apps.

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• TidBit@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I hear that, but the thing is anyone can block whatever/whoever they feel the need to in the fediverse. I truly believe server admins should federate across the board, as it’s a disservice to end users only allowing federation with certain servers based on admin preference.

  As far as UI and UX go, Lemmy’s devs are some of the biggest players in the overall fediverse functionality. So while the UI/UX could use some more attention in select areas, being able to interact with the other platforms is a much bigger aspect to the appeal of the fediverse! The Lemmy devs really do deserve a lot more credit for their work, regardless on their opinions or how the approach discussing them.

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  • OiMate@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Lemmy doesn’t truly block stuff and the devs refuse to fix that

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    • TidBit@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Really? Huh, I have a decent amount of communities blocked and I’ve never seen a single post from anyone of them after implementing the block

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      • rhombus@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I’m assuming they mean it isn’t a two way block. Blocked users can still interact with your posts/comments, you just can’t see them. I personally think that should be how it works, but I’ve seen a lot of arguments for the Reddit-style blocking where they can’t interact with you anymore.

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      • ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        User level community and instance blocks will stop you from seeing posts from those places, but it does not block their users or their comments, so you’d still be able to see them around in non-blocked communities.

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    • SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Granted I browse Lemmy via voyager on Mobile, and Alexandrite on desktop, but this has never been an issue. I find it incredibly easy to block stuff, and curate what I want to see

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