I don’t live in America, and many people here actually do use MAGA or Trumpism to describe the local right wing people and parties because they are largely just copying America…
No they are fascists, Nazi was the shorthand for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP), the first 4 letters.
Fascism gets its name from Italy, Mussolini’s Fascist Party, but it is the name for the political ideology as a whole, there is no Nazism and Americans being called Nazis is kinda weird, imagine if the scenario was flipped and you called german fascists MAGAs.
Thanks for coming to my stickler talk.
Humana@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
imagine if the scenario was flipped and you called german fascists MAGAs.
It’s semantics. The German and American fascists all pull from the same ideological and rhetorical playbook.
Veneration of the national security state. Zealous religious orthodoxy. Obsession with loyalty oaths and ethnicity sorting. Reflexive xenophobia. Institutionalized quackery.
It’s all the same shit. Same as Apartheid Africa. Same as Kuomanting China. Same as Pinochet’s Chile and Milei’s Argentina.
BussyCat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What do you call people who wear red and black swastikas and say heil Hitler while doing a salute typical of the Nazi party?
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
assholes.
kameecoding@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Lazy and derivative
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Romans?
uniquethrowagay@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Nazi is short for Nationalsozialist though. The party wasn’t called Nazi, the members were.
kameecoding@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It was and is literally called the Nazi Party en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party
The Nazi Party,[b] officially the National Socialist German Workers’ Party
uniquethrowagay@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
I am German. We don’t call it that. Nobody says Nazipartei, it’s NSDAP. Nazi Party is an English expression and has nothing to do with the etymology of the word Nazi.
Nazi is short for Nationalsozialist. de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi (the english version of this article points to the ideology of nazism, the original is about the term. Use a translator if you’re interested.)
It was coined in the 1920s and it’s not an American term. You call the party Nazi Party because it was the party of the nazis, not the other way around.
kameecoding@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I stand correctef then
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Imagine gatekeeping nazis.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
If the situation were flipped, and Hitler was rising to power ~80 years after we had a massive war to take out MAGA fascists, then yeah I think people would refer to them as “MAGA”, at least at first.
kameecoding@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Nazi doesn’t mean national socialist, as I said it’s literally just the first 4 letters, a shorthand a nickname, American version for Republicans would be Repu/Repus.
Lots of people I have seen that think it’s Nazi because the Sozialistische has the Zi, it’s nonsense, Nazional is how germans pronounce National, hence it’s shortened to Nazi.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Ridiculously pedantic. Come on.
kameecoding@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I mean, so was my first comment, not sure what you expected 😃
monogram@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
You are confusing National Socialism with Leftist-Nationalism
The reason Hitler added Social to their party name was because it was political suicide not to, not because they where socialists.
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
IMO it’s more offensive to call MAGAs a Nazi. And I’m certainly looking for maximum effect. I couldn’t care less about the etymology of Nazi.
aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I call them Repubs at this point because they don’t want to say things like “Democratic politicians” opting instead for “Democrat politicians” because they’re worried democratic sounds too good.
I think republican sounds too good. They don’t want a republic, they want a tyrant.
Quexotic@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
So, tyrannist? Hmm that’s not catchy. Maybe just autocrat but that doesn’t contain the root of the word tyrannus. Best I got for ya.
causepix@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
How about nationalist?