Comment on Mastodon says it doesn't 'have the means' to comply with age verification laws

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• hisao@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This is why it’s perfect time to get some tech literacy regarding tor, i2p, yggdrasil, and shadowsocks. It’s not perfect solution to use tech to circumvent restrictions that shouldn’t be there in the first place, but sometimes it really comes to that point and it’s really nice to have all systems ready!

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  • peoplebeproblems@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Arguably though, at some point they’ll just say “if we can’t read your traffic, you can’t use the Internet.”

    Which still isn’t a problem, as I’m sure we can come up with a means to encrypt traffic to make it look entirely legitimate. But it’s going to take a while.

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    • einlander@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      At that point people would probably go to a p2p adhoc wireless meshnet to bypass the ISPs entirely.

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      • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You mean “at which point, people will just say ‘oh,ok’”.

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      • Jason2357@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Sneakernets, my friend. Never underestimate the bandwidth of a pocket full of microsd cards traveling on the subway.

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      • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I don’t know literally ANYTHING, so take that into account when answering this, but why can’t a single person access the “Internet” on their own, without an ISP. Can’t they be their own ISP? Or can’t small groups of people - friends, family, co-conspirators - create their own private ISP?

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      • TeddE@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Like Metastatic on LoRA?

        Or maybe we’ll use software defined radios (SDR) to transmit on other unregulated bands (as a hacker, you can often force the software to believe it’s in the wrong region to transmit on bands the FTC didn’t approve, as long as it’s legal somewhere.

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      • piecat@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        All they have to do is send a few crews with log dipoles or yagis. Take a few operators down and charge them with terrorism or something and a critical mass will stop using it.

        We have the tech for drones sweeping everything everywhere with sensors. Cameras, radios, microphones, IR…

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      • mitch@piefed.mitch.science ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Meshtastic, baby!!

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      • peoplebeproblems@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        That’s probably a better idea. I haven’t actually looked into how that works.

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    • hisao@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If you mean an HTTPS ban, it’s technically possible, but even mainland China and Russia haven’t gone that far. One major reason is that it would completely undermine basic internet security. It would instantly make man-in-the-middle attacks trivial, letting anyone sniff purchases, transactions, and more. Buying anything online - or using a credit card at all - would suddenly become extremely risky.

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  • ezyryder@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m making a website to aggregate all of this information. Pro net neutrality, anti censorship laymens guide. Still in the works but its called zoracle.life.

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    • apftwb@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Confirm your URL?

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      • ezyryder@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        it’s still in the works friend!! Making the whole thing from scratch with some cameron’s world esque aesthetics and a unique landing page. I can definitely let you know when its live :) appreciate the interest.

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  • chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’ve tried a few times to check out i2p, it seems to take hours of leaving it running to even get to the point where you can very slowly and inconsistently load even the official pages though.

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    • hisao@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      In my experience, if you have anything but “Network: OK” status (for example, “Network: Firewalled”), it’s not working properly. If you’re behind a VPN, you need to port-forward and properly configure a port in I2P config/settings. Another sign that it’s misconfigured is 0 participating tunnels. This is how properly configured I2P network statistics looks like:

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      • chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Thanks. Somehow the network actually seems to be working pretty well for me now, not sure why it wasn’t before.

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  • FailBetter@crust.piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The situation does seem quite desperate. I'd like to heed your call. Please advise on most critical systems I should have ready right now today please. I know have a lot of work to do and must stay efficient

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    • hisao@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      • If the internet were fully controlled, you’d need mesh networks - DIY, decentralized networks using radios, local connections, or other alternative infrastructures. I don’t know all the details, but Yggdrasil is a promising modern project that functions as an alternative “internet” for mesh networks, while also working over the regular internet.

      • Within the normal internet, the most resilient solution against heavy censorship is probably Shadowsocks. It’s widely used in mainland China because it can bypass full-scale DPI (deep packet inspection) by making traffic look like normal HTTPS. There are ways for authorities to detect it, and there are counter-methods, but it remains one of the most reliable tools for evading state-level traffic filtering.

      • Next in line are Tor and I2P. Both are very resilient, and blocking them completely is difficult. It’s a continuous cat-and-mouse game: governments block some bridges or entry nodes, but new ones appear, allowing users to reconnect.

      • Finally, regular VPNs are useful but generally less resilient. They’re the first target for legal restrictions and DPI filtering because their traffic patterns are easier to detect.

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      Overall, for deep censorship resistance, it’s a hierarchy: mesh networks > Shadowsocks > Tor/I2P > standard VPNs. You can ask chatbots about any of these and usually get accurate, practical advice because the technical principles are public knowledge.

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      • DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Couldn’t the US hypothetically put a clause in some ‘online safety’ law conveniently deanonymizing Tor given they own most of the exit nodes?

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  • moseschrute@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I have absolutely no idea what any of that is after tor

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    • hisao@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Tor and I2P solve a similar problem (anonymous communication), but they do it in pretty different ways.

      • Tor is optimized for accessing the regular internet anonymously. It uses onion routing with a small number of long-lived relays, and you exit back to the clearnet through an exit node. Hidden services (now called onion services) exist, but they’re secondary to Tor’s main use case.
      • I2P is designed primarily for internal services (called eepsites, torrents, chat, etc.) inside the I2P network itself. It doesn’t rely on exits the way Tor does. It uses garlic routing (a variant of onion routing with bundled messages), and every participant is both a client and a router, making it more peer-to-peer.

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      • irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Could you be responsible for what someone else does while your using the network then?

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    • other_cat@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Me either, so I’m searching up what I can and bookmarking it to read later. There’s always more to learn!

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  • sylvieslayer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Hi I have no idea what any of that means. Please let me join this class.

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• IllNess@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  If this really about protecting kids, they could’ve done opt in blocking at the ISP level. Just a few new fields with ISPs and they have products that can take care of this already.

  This is really about tracking every little thing you do online.

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  • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Eventually it will be about restricting what we can access on the web.

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  • Alexstarfire@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s never really about the kids.

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• DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  staring at the “Great Firewall of China” and asking themselves “Can we get something like this over here?”

  I’ve just been assuming that was the goal all along.

  Fifteen years ago, I said on Reddit, “The U.S. is trying to become like China before China can become like the U.S.” Of course, I got buried.

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• mitch@piefed.mitch.science ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  All my IT and InfoSec friends have called me alarmist for suggesting even the possibility of a GFW of America, but every day that passes, it looks more and more likely to happen, doesn't it?

  Start practicing circumvention techniques now, y'all, while it's still legal and cheap to do so. Learn amateur radio. Learn Meshtastic. Learn all the different censorship-resistant VPN technology out there. Host your own websites or services for friends, family, or your community. It doesn't make it impossible, but it does make it hard, and fascism is nothing if not lazy.

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  • Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I like you

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• hatsa122@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Its already happening in Spain. Everyday there is a football match from the spanish league (thats from Friday to Monday, both included) LaLiga orders the ISPs to shutdown everything that uses Cloudflare under the pretext that the shady websites that offers pirated football use their services, killing easily 1/3 of the national traffic for like 4h.

  Why the ISPs comply? The biggest ISP of the country (Movistar) also happens to be the main one that showcase legal football.

  How is this legal? The judge that authorised that and the president of LaLiga have been friends since forever.

  Eventually this will go the European court where will rule this was illegal and anti-constitutional all along and give a Spain a fine (the the citizen will have to pay ofc), and revoke this bullshit, but untill then we are screwed. Nothing will happens to LaLiga, or the corrupt judge, or Movistar, fucking privileged and corrupted bastards.

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  • Tuxophil@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Wow, that’s fucked up.

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    • humanoidchaos@lemmy.cif.su ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah, the soccer industry is full of some of the scummiest people on earth.

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  • CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    TBH, ISP blocking is easily circumvented with DOH

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  • biofaust@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Whoa whoa whoa! Callate chico!

    You copied this from us Italians where we have the friend of Berlusconi providing the State with a censorship system (the Piracy Shield), allegedly exactly for the same reason since 2023.

    Let’s give the right Fascists what is theirs.

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  • birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So, in other words, corruption.

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• vane@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Country level internet and passport control before you visit another country domain is inevitable. That’s just like people want it or at least sociopaths.

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