Pooh bear is actually starting to look less oppressive in comparison these last 7 months tbh
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simplejack@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Both cars support oppressive dictators, but one is cheaper, supports CarPlay / Android auto, and has actually buttons for things.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
simplejack@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
To be fair, the CCP has already done a lot of armed crackdowns and disappearing. They’re in the phase where people are too scared to resist.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Also quite true. They no longer need to use the threat of violence because of the implication
ByteJunk@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The worrying part is that they kinda seem to be implementing good policies for (at least some of) their people.
There’s a lot of disturbing stuff, and probably a whole lot more that we don’t even know about, but social security, education, healthcare - my impression is that they’re going the right way, while the US looks eager to go back to the Dark ages.
Just with STEM degrees, they’re producing almost 5x more graduates than the US, and they’ve surpassed the number of doctorates a long time ago too.
The current world balance won’t hold one more generation.
Ferrous@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
dude@lemmings.world 3 weeks ago
Over 90% of Chinese agree that “democracy is important”? Was this survey conducted in Taiwan and signed as “China” complying with “one China policy”?
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
If a country is not a divisive hellscape of anger, it must be because they are too afraid to answer surveys honestly. If fear motivated answers then “democracy is impotant” might score low if “there wasn’t a genuine feeling that people are heard in China”.
Look at the massive gap in west between democracy is important and the 40% of people too distracted to understand that their governments don’t serve them. Think hard of what a nightmarish dystopia that is for a second, and then realize that part of that divisiveness is politicians telling you (and you repeating their propaganda as absolute) we need a path to war against China that will make it all better.
yucandu@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Trump is definitely headed in China’s direction, but MSNBC is still allowed to exist.
OccamsRazer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The fact that you can freely criticize and say whatever you want about Elon means that he is not even close to as oppressive.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
You are free to say anything that doesn’t draw the ire of cops, politician, or immigration agents. Otherwise, you might get the shit kicked out of you, thrown in prison on bs charges, or deported/denied entry.
Only those who don’t move dont notice their chains.
myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
This is what I hate. One is owned by a fuck cunt. The other is owned by china. Neither one are actually good options if you are not buying one because of their beliefs
Patch@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
Other options exist; you don’t have to buy either. Volkswagen Group, Audi, Renault, BMW, Fiat etc all make EVs in Europe. Hyundai & Kia also both make excellent EVs.
Buying a Tesla is a choice these days. Nobody trips and falls into Tesla ownership. And although those cheap Chinese manufacturers look mighty tempting, they’re not the only alternative out there.
declaredreprimand@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Though, you don’t want to buy German either if you want to support “good”. VW, Audi, BMW, all German car mafia.
derpgon@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
On a side note, Audi and VW are both under the same owner.
Why are German cars a bad choice? I’d rather buy German than get another Citroen tbh.
herrvogel@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
BYD cars don’t have very many buttons either. See here. They’re tablets on wheels too. I quite dislike BYD interiors.
simplejack@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
True, but that thing is like a fighter jet compared to Telsa’s void of emptiness. 14 controls on the wheel (and they’re labeled, real controls for drive modes, there are basic climate controls on the center console, you can manually adjust fan orientation, etc.
It’s still overly reliant on touch, but I’d easily take that over a Telsa.
herrvogel@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Meh. I would not take either. In fact I actually didn’t. I went to a showroom and got inside their EVs and PHEVs while looking for a car. My immediate reaction after sitting in the driver’s seat of their PHEV was “I don’t want to drive this”. Same thing with the pure EV. I’ll give you the wheel, but those A/C controls next to the “shifter” are touch surfaces instead of actual buttons, and they’re just as annoying and worthless as touchscreen controls. Which is sad because those cars have fantastic stats on paper and very competitive prices.
Unfortunately most EVs on the market have fucking stupid interior designs. Very often you have to choose between affordable and well designed. Not very many that are both.
kameecoding@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I am not sure you can say BYD supports a dictator per se, more like it exists in a state capitalist country where you exist at the behest of the dictator.
Elon actively pushed and spent money to get trump elected.
ByteJunk@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Well played sir, well played.