Comment on Goodbye, $165,000 Tech Jobs. Student Coders Seek Work at Chipotle.
adespoton@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
$165,000 tech jobs are still out there. Usually they require at least 10 years experience, or a masters in mathematics or data science.
Try a $48-64k job and get some experience.
Boomer out of touch take.
Damn. That’d be crazy if anyone was actually hiring anybody with no experience.
I know multiple group chats of people who graduated fresh from college, not even 20% of them have jobs a year after grad. And this is spread across comp sci, cybersecurity, and mech eng.
The entry level job is dead. Every company thinks they can replace the menial shit that entry level workers do to learn with AI slop.
counterpoint: I work in tech for a Fortune 500 and we still have interns and still hire intern classes and kids right out of college.
We are working with AI but we aren’t stupid, we still need people.
Not in Silicon Valley.
Exact same thing here.
If you ignore any company related to “cloud” or “AI”, especially if you focus on tech jobs at companies outside the software industry, there’s still plenty of hiring fresh coders going on.
lol... I don't think you're right at all.
Everybody overhired coders in 2020-2021, and everybody has been shedding them since.... along with tons of other roles.
Sure, they are always hiring and there's always exceptions. If the job is 60k and you have 3000 applicants and 300 of them have over 3 years of experience... how can a 0 YOE possibly compete?
We have a pretty forward thinking AI offering of our own, but … it’s not being vibe coded, we have very educated AI engineers
What sucks is that was the starting wage when I got into the tech industry back in the early ‘00s
Yup. Entry level wages have stagnated while food and housing prices have skyrocketed.
It’s weird that so many replies are attacking you when you are factually right. The industry has always been this way. And some kid with a GED and 3 years of CompSci from their community college is not going to land them a 165k dream job right after graduation.
I think some people have been living in a fantasy world or believed every headline they saw.
Probably not the hottest of markets right now (not just because of Trump and company) and I was in a similar boat when I graduated. My first job was Best Buy (not Geek Squad unfortunately) then tech support then a reporting analyst. Took probably 4 years for me to get into a job where coding was the main aspect.
That being said, I feel bad for any new graduate except for maybe lawyers.
On top of this, the AI jobs are paying some flat-out ridiculous rates.
Like, millions of dollars up-front in signing bonuses kind of ridiculous
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Try renting an apartment in Silicon Valley with a $48k/year paycheck in your pocket.
The starting salaries justified the crazy cost-of-living in a city that wanted $5000/mo for 800 sqft. Now the question becomes how you afford to get the experience in a job that pays below the regional cost of living.
mesamunefire@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Most tech jobs are outside Silicon Valley. But I see your point, they need to pay cost of living. Its still technical work
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I mean, its hardly unique to SV or to the Tech Sector broadly speaking. One of the biggest challenges I’ve seen down in Texas is teachers earning enough money to live in their (comparatively much cheaper than California) school districts.
But I gotta say, I was earning $48k back in 2006 way out in the Houston 'burbs and it was a tight squeeze. Nothing has improved. “Just earn less” doesn’t work when you’re bumping up against a bunch of landlords and lenders saying “Fuck you, pay me more”.
mesamunefire@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
I dont disagree. Yuck. Same salaries, different decade.
I actually made quite a bit more about 4 years ago, but took a downgrade in pay for less work. Worked out well for me. But I see a lot of people floundering right now. I know one person that's been out of a tech job for over a year and had to go back to manual labor after doing a ton of work in tech. At least he got paid unlike the poor saps that get unpaid internships.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Counter offer: Rent an apartment in Bumfuck, Flyover and work for a tech company.
It’s the only way I’ve been able to afford a house.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Lots of tech companies aren’t going to hire any ol’ Joe Schmo that can’t visit the office.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’ve never had problem finding a WFH gig. The last five jobs I’ve had since 2011 have been at least partially WFH. And I’m a very schmoey Joe
BombOmOm@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s amazing how cheap living is when you aren’t trying to jam yourself into a city. People talk about how there is a bunch of vacant housing, well, middle of nowhere is where it is! And it’s damn cheap.
And now, with 5G and satellite internet both as solid internet sources, it is rare you will find a house that will prevent a work remote job.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The hardest part is really having a separate room for work, especially if other people live with you.
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
I need a big truck in case I need to haul wood from Home Depot once or twice a year, because that’s worst case scenario. It needs to be an EV with 1000 mile range, because that’s worst case scenario. And I need to make enough to live in Silicon Valley, because that’s worst case scenario.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Wait till you find out about medical bills
fodor@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
800 is fucking huge tho. Big city folk can easily fitinto 300 if living alone.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s a modest bedroom, small living room, and a kitchen.
You can fit in a smaller space. I wouldn’t say you can live in it. 300ft is barely a hotel room.