Comment on Tucson City Council votes 7-0, unanimously to kill AI Data Center

• prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Good luck using the internet while avoiding AWS

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  • Ugurcan@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I swear I didn’t asked for this bloated fucking mess. The whole internet could’ve been optimized to 10% of whatever it is today but we’re trying to run ReactJS now in the backend instead.

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    • noobface@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

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  • Jason2357@lemmy.ca ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I have VPS’s in Quebec, running on mostly hydroelectric power, in a place without water supply concerns for locals, in a cooler climate. OVH in this case, but there are others. Can’t control what random websites are hosted on, but can avoid giving money to this crazyness.

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• spankmonkey@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Yup, just takes a single person!

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• glimse@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I don’t use AWS! Are all the data centers gone yet?

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  • FauxLiving@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    How do you know that this instance isn’t running on AWS?

    Any link that you click on which takes you to an external website has a large probability of taking you to an AWS datacenter.

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    • glimse@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I assumed they meant “stop giving Amazon money” because “stop using the internet entirely” is a such a ridiculous suggestion

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• Passerby6497@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Clearly I need to pull myself up by my bootstraps and checks notes change how large portions of the Internet get their compute.

  I’m gonna use up all the fresh water just popping down to the data center for some AWS compute time, as a treat.

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• DeceasedPassenger@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I haven’t given a god damn dime to amazon since 2020, ever since I learned about the piss bottles. I’ve asked (and assisted) others to do the same. What the fuck else do you expect someone to do? Speak for yourself asshole.

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  • jjjalljs@ttrpg.network ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Are you familiar with AWS? Amazon Web services. Many, many, websites use them and I don’t think there’s a way to tell as a user.

    Like, you go to a website and their images are hosted on s3 (an aws service) and their database is on RDS (also AWS), and their whole backend application is using eks or ecs or whatever.

    That’s extremely common. Companies don’t run their own hardware anymore very often.

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    • DeceasedPassenger@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I know. I’m not a web dev nor do I know anyone who is to convince otherwise, to use other services. AWS dominance is undeniably huge. If you know a way to combat that (alternative infrastructure) I would be happy to hear it, and I will share that alongside what I already tell people. Again I’m not well-versed in that space, but my understanding is that AWS is essentially the only full-stack solution that’s also highly scalable. Open to correction if I’m wrong here.

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      • jjjalljs@ttrpg.network ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Google and Microsoft have competing services, but those companies also suck. I think they’re less popular, but I don’t know much about why.

        I’m not aware of any smaller competitors, though some probably exist. It would be a big risk for a company to go with a new provider. There’s a lot of library support for the big players, for one thing. If you want your python application to talk to AWS, the boto library is just right there.

        You could run your own hardware somewhere, but that has its own host of problems, if you’ll pardon the pun. I worked somewhere a long time ago that had its own servers in a data center. The place got flooded in a big storm and we were down for a couple days.

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    • sobchak@programming.dev ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I never understood the popularity of AWS. It’s much cheaper using VPSs and even dedicated servers sometimes. I’ve worked on very cost-sensitive projects where I rolled our own highly-available k8s and postgres clusters on dedicated servers and VPSs and saved the company a shit load of money. Only used the “cloud” to store backups (Backblaze). There’s tons of other options other than major “cloud” providers, and they’re often much cheaper.

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• mechoman444@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I’m sure you don’t actually understand how this functions but the reason that products aren’t really available on storefronts anymore is because they’re sold on Amazon.

  We created a monster.

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  • theangryseal@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I have somehow avoided Amazon all these years. It’s easy for me, nothing I require is connected to Amazon.

    I’m sure there are aspects of the business that I can’t avoid that I don’t even know I’m being dragged into, but I don’t spend my money with them.

    Anytime I can’t find something somewhere else, I just move on and forget about it.

    The only times I’ve ever been bummed about it is when I’m working on some small project and the parts are half the price on Amazon. Most recently, it was parts for an arcade machine.

    If I’m being inconvenienced, I don’t even know it.

    I walked away originally when they acquired cdnow.com. I last visited the site when it began redirecting to Amazon.

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    • dogslayeggs@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’ve boycotted Amazon completely for 25 years, ever since their 1 click patent bullshit. It’s not that hard to do, but people are lazy and cheap.

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• xylol@leminal.space ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I mean water isn’t that important

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• EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Ah yes, just stop using the internet.

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