These things you write, they are not in any way substantiation of the claim that Apple doesn’t make backdoors.
Comment on UK wants to weasel out of demand for Apple encryption back door
disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 3 weeks agoThere is no backdoor in Apple’s encryption. That’s the reason the US and UK governments have prosecuted Apple repeatedly. They can obtain iCloud data with a warrant, but are repeatedly pressing for real-time surveillance. The UK banned encryption without a backdoor, so Apple turned off encryption rather than compromising their standard.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
That’s because it’s categorically impossible to prove a negative.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
In theory you can learn mind reading from some fantasy universe and check every Apple person. Or ask a crystal ball. Or use some other way to collect full information about our universe, check every rabbit hole, so to say, and then confidently confirm “there’s no Apple backdoor here”. “Here” meaning this plane of existence.
In practice yes.
testfactor@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Even in your made up scenario it doesn’t prove the negative. Maybe your mind reading didn’t work because Apple has a mind wiping device that made them forget. Maybe the crystal ball didn’t work because Apple made an even more powerful “crystal ball blocking” device. You can’t prove that’s not what’s really happening.
So no, you in fact can’t prove a negative.
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I’m not claiming they don’t. I’m pointing out the absurdity of calling somebody out for not doing the impossible.
cheese_greater@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
There are many, many backdoors
Squizzy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Source?
szymon@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
Snowden, historical documents about CIA, info from Chinese and Russian intelligence
xthexder@l.sw0.com 3 weeks ago
I didn’t think any of that was backdoors. That was the government snooping on unencrypted communications.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
None of those substantiated the existence of an Apple-made back door.
tarknassus@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
“Trust me bro” or “do your own research”.
The burden of proof is on the person making the claims - and as they haven’t backed it up with sources, I’d say it’s bullshit.
kautau@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The funny thing is, advanced data protection was optional, and not on by default. Apple just stopped offering it in the UK
support.apple.com/en-us/108756
When it’s enabled, they can’t access iCloud data at all, even with a warrant due to the fact it’s E2E with keys they don’t control. That’s what the UK got really mad about. But Apple shut the whole feature down for the UK in response to the backdoor ask.
It’s not different from the UK banning signal because it’s E2E encrypted and they can’t access it.
They’re likely only backing down now because of consumer/media backlash
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
Apple would need to supply the data if they had the encryption key right? So can we assume that even Apple cannot see the encrypted data?
kautau@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Correct, standard iCloud data is accessible with a warrant. But the UK wanted their own backdoor so they have constant access without a warrant.
But with advanced data protection, Apple can’t provide the data because they don’t have the encryption keys, regardless of a warrant.
Important to note iMessage is always E2E encrypted though, so iMessages cannot be accessed even with a warrant. Advanced data protection just expands that to all iCloud data
Natanael@infosec.pub 3 weeks ago
Using iMessage with backups does mean the backups are unencrypted and accessible by warrant (unless you use advanced data protection)
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
Okay interesting, thank you for the info.
Who even uses iMessage these days? Pretty sure I turned it off completely because it was messing with the 5 SMS I send in a year …