Comment on UK wants to weasel out of demand for Apple encryption back door

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• disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  There is no backdoor in Apple’s encryption. That’s the reason the US and UK governments have prosecuted Apple repeatedly. They can obtain iCloud data with a warrant, but are repeatedly pressing for real-time surveillance. The UK banned encryption without a backdoor, so Apple turned off encryption rather than compromising their standard.

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  • kautau@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The funny thing is, advanced data protection was optional, and not on by default. Apple just stopped offering it in the UK

    support.apple.com/en-us/108756

    When it’s enabled, they can’t access iCloud data at all, even with a warrant due to the fact it’s E2E with keys they don’t control. That’s what the UK got really mad about. But Apple shut the whole feature down for the UK in response to the backdoor ask.

    It’s not different from the UK banning signal because it’s E2E encrypted and they can’t access it.

    They’re likely only backing down now because of consumer/media backlash

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    • Vinstaal0@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Apple would need to supply the data if they had the encryption key right? So can we assume that even Apple cannot see the encrypted data?

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      • kautau@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Correct, standard iCloud data is accessible with a warrant. But the UK wanted their own backdoor so they have constant access without a warrant.

        But with advanced data protection, Apple can’t provide the data because they don’t have the encryption keys, regardless of a warrant.

        Important to note iMessage is always E2E encrypted though, so iMessages cannot be accessed even with a warrant. Advanced data protection just expands that to all iCloud data

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  • rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    These things you write, they are not in any way substantiation of the claim that Apple doesn’t make backdoors.

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    • AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s because it’s categorically impossible to prove a negative.

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      • rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        In theory you can learn mind reading from some fantasy universe and check every Apple person. Or ask a crystal ball. Or use some other way to collect full information about our universe, check every rabbit hole, so to say, and then confidently confirm “there’s no Apple backdoor here”. “Here” meaning this plane of existence.

        In practice yes.

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  • cheese_greater@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There are many, many backdoors

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    • Squizzy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Source?

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      • szymon@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Snowden, historical documents about CIA, info from Chinese and Russian intelligence

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      • tarknassus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        “Trust me bro” or “do your own research”.

        The burden of proof is on the person making the claims - and as they haven’t backed it up with sources, I’d say it’s bullshit.

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